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i was gonna say something...... then i realized you were skiing and i got jealous.
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najer
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Skimmer before fuge here as well.
Both in the top now, after the extended power outage when I moved the smaller one up as well I didn't see the point of having them in the sump!
They work fine in the sump by the way.
Both in the top now, after the extended power outage when I moved the smaller one up as well I didn't see the point of having them in the sump!
They work fine in the sump by the way.
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That was what I was wondering. Thanks!
So I just quickly drew a shop drawing to make sure we had enough sump capacity for drain down during power outages and to allow for pumps like the Sicce 2.0 and Eheim 1260. I am an old dog so no fancy 3D computer generated pictures from me. I may need to darken up the drawing but this is a general idea based on the dimensions Katrina 71 gave me.
Simple as well. Kiss rocks.
Questions. Thoughts. Rambles.
How big is the pump section? Can it be made smaller to accommodate the model pump , or has it been? (Maximize space?)
The overflow wall is a simple single wall oval , how flexible to sump water level is this ? (No experience with those )
The media space is very clever there and makes the over under bubble wall. Cool.
The input /skimmer section, is that a simple one stage over? Would an over under over “bubble wall” be considered?
Is this section large enough to accommodate a differential or standard style skimmer if an upgrade is desired or needed(currently a tunze compact ?)
Um. I don’t see how that could happen.
A ground plug makes a short path for voltage to earth. Rather than you as the short path. It’s not debatable.
Separate one pump from the gfci sonif the system shuts down one pump makes flow.
A fwiw , a HUGE reason grounds are needed is or rather was is , most folks ised to run ac pumps , t5 and halides.
All ac units (from pumps down to cords) create an electro magnetic field.
That field builds in salt water.
A t5 over a tank can buld voltage. Just from the emf.
Put finger in that tank and ground yourself and yuck. W a ground plug is already got a path. Human flesh isn’t as good a conductor as copper w a titanium lead
With mostly dc pumps and leds as we have now , the concerns are a very minimal.
Brew is an electric engineer. Wrote a great article and sticky on it.
Me, I spent three days in the rain playing with 18,000kw lights last week hoping there was enough copper in system to keep me from being the Ground.
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The pump section is about 5" wide by 11.5" front to back and 17.75" inches deep over all with the current media tray. The three recommended pumps should have no problem with this pump chamber. I could eliminate the tray and just have a wall due to no water drop at the recommended water depth of 11.75". Same on the skimmer chamber after the filter sock. If no filter cup or sock is used I would use an over under wall. The intake to the skimmer is primarily surface water on the Tunze 9004 skimmer and should not be a problem with some bubbles unless they are drawn into the pump. There should only be about 1/4" drop from the skimmer chamber to the refugium in an effort to prevent lots of splash and water noise. In my experience the more weir designs you use the harder it is to clean the various areas of the sump. The ability to clean is something I like to maintain for most users when making a design. So I tend to use less walls as it shrinks the hand space. My old wet/dry filters had a removable wall that held a foam sponge as a final filter before the shared skimmer and pump chamber. This allowed customers to clean under the dry area without taking the filter apart.
In this design I attempted to combine the refugium and pump chamber as one common area for drain down from the tank in the event of a power outage. As such I figured at least 4 gallons drain down and left more in case the return line from the pump is deeper underwater on the display tank. One of the things about new style sumps is the small pump chambers that allow a pump to run dry unless you have an ATO. In the old days the Wet/Dry sumps were shared along the entire foot print and the pumps had much more water capacity to draw on for evaporation from the display tank. A lot of the new sumps have these small pump chambers and must have a functional ATO just to make it to noon on a warm day.
Sometimes less is more when you are trying to give the maximum refugium for Katrina 71 sump monsters. The design is not set in stone and I am learning through this experience what some of you would want in a sump design in case I feel the need to jump back into the aquarium industry. I prefer the skimmer before the refugium due to the desire to prevent algae from getting into the skimmer as well as pods and other micro fauna.
The pump section is about 5" wide by 11.5" front to back and 17.75" inches deep over all with the current media tray. The three recommended pumps should have no problem with this pump chamber. I could eliminate the tray and just have a wall due to no water drop at the recommended water depth of 11.75". Same on the skimmer chamber after the filter sock. If no filter cup or sock is used I would use an over under wall. The intake to the skimmer is primarily surface water on the Tunze 9004 skimmer and should not be a problem with some bubbles unless they are drawn into the pump. There should only be about 1/4" drop from the skimmer chamber to the refugium in an effort to prevent lots of splash and water noise. In my experience the more weir designs you use the harder it is to clean the various areas of the sump. The ability to clean is something I like to maintain for most users when making a design. So I tend to use less walls as it shrinks the hand space. My old wet/dry filters had a removable wall that held a foam sponge as a final filter before the shared skimmer and pump chamber. This allowed customers to clean under the dry area without taking the filter apart.
In this design I attempted to combine the refugium and pump chamber as one common area for drain down from the tank in the event of a power outage. As such I figured at least 4 gallons drain down and left more in case the return line from the pump is deeper underwater on the display tank. One of the things about new style sumps is the small pump chambers that allow a pump to run dry unless you have an ATO. In the old days the Wet/Dry sumps were shared along the entire foot print and the pumps had much more water capacity to draw on for evaporation from the display tank. A lot of the new sumps have these small pump chambers and must have a functional ATO just to make it to noon on a warm day.
Sometimes less is more when you are trying to give the maximum refugium for Katrina 71 sump monsters. The design is not set in stone and I am learning through this experience what some of you would want in a sump design in case I feel the need to jump back into the aquarium industry. I prefer the skimmer before the refugium due to the desire to prevent algae from getting into the skimmer as well as pods and other micro fauna.
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@Lowell Lemon I am grateful for Any design. You have no idea how interesting it is for me to learn from all of your input! Simple is good for me. The ball valve is great for Andrew and I to stop the water from the DT in a hurry. I will be plumbing that in pvc. We do want sump monsters!
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I can't believe it's been 2 and 1/2 hours since the last post. Usually there's like 200 posts in 2 1/2 hours time.
