Breeding "supercorals"

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Ive heard they discovered populations of more heat and ph resistant coral, are there any efforts underway to attempt to selectively breed more adaptable corals, engineer corals, or use other processes that can help protect them against acidification and heat? not for the hobby, but more to help protect reefs that are struggling
 
Ive heard they discovered populations of more heat and ph resistant coral, are there any efforts underway to attempt to selectively breed more adaptable corals, engineer corals, or use other processes that can help protect them against acidification and heat? not for the hobby, but more to help protect reefs that are struggling
I am interested in this to. It seems possible but I would think the time it takes for them to adapt would not make this an easy task as they don’t seem to react well to changes that have happened over longer than most of our lives. Science is a crazy thing though so maybe there is a way to speed up the rate at which they could adapt to less desirable parameters?
 
Ive heard they discovered populations of more heat and ph resistant coral, are there any efforts underway to attempt to selectively breed more adaptable corals, engineer corals, or use other processes that can help protect them against acidification and heat? not for the hobby, but more to help protect reefs that are struggling
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I just waned to say that your name made me giggle :)
 
Ive heard they discovered populations of more heat and ph resistant coral, are there any efforts underway to attempt to selectively breed more adaptable corals, engineer corals, or use other processes that can help protect them against acidification and heat? not for the hobby, but more to help protect reefs that are struggling
wonder if is this in anyway related to the ones they find in Miami canals ? Eitherway it’s a tandem topic….good topic
 
I believe the credit goes to us for conditioning the corals to be “hardened”. Right when they are about to die, we lower the temperature back to normal or bring the alkalinity back to normal or do a water change… we have been expanding coral’s ability to survive one swing at a time. Good job reefers!!!!

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Ive heard they discovered populations of more heat and ph resistant coral, are there any efforts underway to attempt to selectively breed more adaptable corals, engineer corals, or use other processes that can help protect them against acidification and heat? not for the hobby, but more to help protect reefs that are struggling
The idea of selective breeding comes from animal or plant husbandry where a captive population is the focus of selective "improvements" that help keep the flocks or crops growing in captive fields.

The crossover into captive corals is that there are a lot of corals in the hobby now are kept in aquaculture facilities and they can use these selective techniques ,(but not necessarily gene splicing) to find the best cultivars for captive reefs.

I get a lot of indigestion when I hear and see good intentioned people saying we are going to save wild reefs by manipulating them. Our manipulation often comes with unintended consequences and we tend to select for monocultures of cultivars that we find pleasant or deem "climax community" members. Natural reefs might be better off if we leave them to nature(?), imo. I gotta go to work now, Launch!!
 
I am interested in this to. It seems possible but I would think the time it takes for them to adapt would not make this an easy task as they don’t seem to react well to changes that have happened over longer than most of our lives. Science is a crazy thing though so maybe there is a way to speed up the rate at which they could adapt to less desirable parameters?
they found those wild populations, maybe fragging them and making hybrids or having them in a tank that slowly changes parameters and then stops, fragging or breeding the survivors and then repeating
 
The idea of selective breeding comes from animal or plant husbandry where a captive population is the focus of selective "improvements" that help keep the flocks or crops growing in captive fields.

The crossover into captive corals is that there are a lot of corals in the hobby now are kept in aquaculture facilities and they can use these selective techniques ,(but not necessarily gene splicing) to find the best cultivars for captive reefs.

I get a lot of indigestion when I hear and see good intentioned people saying we are going to save wild reefs by manipulating them. Our manipulation often comes with unintended consequences and we tend to select for monocultures of cultivars that we find pleasant or deem "climax community" members. Natural reefs might be better off if we leave them to nature(?), imo. I gotta go to work now, Launch!!
While I do agree with you I think the argument can be made (I’m not making it now) we haven’t left them to nature and we are making that more true every day. More pollution, worse parameters that are not natural at all. Would be interesting to see if there is anything we can do but like I said I agree with you that nothing good happens when we mess with stuff like that outside of a lab. Australia is a great example of how wrong wildlife “management” can go when we try to intervene with certain species.
 
The idea of selective breeding comes from animal or plant husbandry where a captive population is the focus of selective "improvements" that help keep the flocks or crops growing in captive fields.

The crossover into captive corals is that there are a lot of corals in the hobby now are kept in aquaculture facilities and they can use these selective techniques ,(but not necessarily gene splicing) to find the best cultivars for captive reefs.

I get a lot of indigestion when I hear and see good intentioned people saying we are going to save wild reefs by manipulating them. Our manipulation often comes with unintended consequences and we tend to select for monocultures of cultivars that we find pleasant or deem "climax community" members. Natural reefs might be better off if we leave them to nature(?), imo. I gotta go to work now, Launch!!
While I agree its not a good idea to do so in a healthy ecosystem, in one that is sure to die, a hobbled state is better than a dead one, even then, it could fully regrow to previous health.
 
The idea of selective breeding comes from animal or plant husbandry where a captive population is the focus of selective "improvements" that help keep the flocks or crops growing in captive fields.

The crossover into captive corals is that there are a lot of corals in the hobby now are kept in aquaculture facilities and they can use these selective techniques ,(but not necessarily gene splicing) to find the best cultivars for captive reefs.

I get a lot of indigestion when I hear and see good intentioned people saying we are going to save wild reefs by manipulating them. Our manipulation often comes with unintended consequences and we tend to select for monocultures of cultivars that we find pleasant or deem "climax community" members. Natural reefs might be better off if we leave them to nature(?), imo. I gotta go to work now, Launch!!
“they” make this same argument for deer management in lieu of native apex predators
…anyway, I could foresee some perhaps desperate man made attempt at DNA level manipulation to save the reefs
 
Breeding hardier corals might have to be done but I would prefer to see humanity stop doing what we're doing that is killing them in the first place. Don't we always say "find and fix the root cause"? I think the problem with breeding hardier corals is that by the time you breed them and get them established the conditions you bred them for have already changed beyond the level they can survive. Also, it's probably impossible to breed for the diversity of corals out there so you'll find we have just a few coral types put back into the wild and suddenly the entirety of the world has only a few types to look at. The only solution "stop the nastiness we're doing that is killing them".
 
The idea of selective breeding comes from animal or plant husbandry where a captive population is the focus of selective "improvements" that help keep the flocks or crops growing in captive fields.

The crossover into captive corals is that there are a lot of corals in the hobby now are kept in aquaculture facilities and they can use these selective techniques ,(but not necessarily gene splicing) to find the best cultivars for captive reefs.

I get a lot of indigestion when I hear and see good intentioned people saying we are going to save wild reefs by manipulating them. Our manipulation often comes with unintended consequences and we tend to select for monocultures of cultivars that we find pleasant or deem "climax community" members. Natural reefs might be better off if we leave them to nature(?), imo. I gotta go to work now, Launch!!

Animals in the kingdom are facing challenges adapting to meet the world that is as changing faster than they can. Some will succeed (looking at you cockroaches and tardigrades), others won't.

Humans don't have this problem (yet) because we are not constrained by purpose-built bodies. We are generalists. Where some creatures have thick furs, deep fat reserves, hibernate months away, have strangely long fingers and tails, harvest energy directly from plant symbionts and the sun, have eyes that are disproportionately large for our face, or tiny specialized beaks to harvest nectar from very specific plants, we have our brains. Our brains give us an enormous evolutionary advantage outside of what our bodies can do to adapt.

Our brains give us the ability to innovate and "evolve" artificially. It is how we survive all over the world in some of the most extreme and challenging places. It is how we combat sickness and disease. It is how we rise above challenges that other creatures simply can't meet. Sure, there are many biological processes at play that help keep our species strong but, on the whole, it is our brain that gives us an advantage.

I would say that if we refuse to own any part we may have had in causing the conditions that exist today, then the least we can do is act on self-interest by helping the rest of the kingdom survive with us.

Like all of the creatures in our tanks, every species serves a purpose. Think of bees. Think of reefs. Letting pillar species go extinct simply isn't a viable path for human survival on this planet (consider the declining balance in the Sheldon Spectrum).

Why wouldn't we want to apply our ingenuity to solve the problems (man-made or exacerbated) of other species?
 
The longer corals are aqua cultured for the more chance we have of developing phenotypes that are resistant to PH and temp swings, the ocean is a much more stable environment than a reef tank. When first shipped in many of the least hardy individuals die and the stronger ones are asexually propagated.

Although true genetic selection is not happening epigenetic variation occurs in even asexually bred organisms. Propagate corals in a less than ideal environment for long enough and you can eventually develop stable pheno's that may have a chance of repopulating damaged reefs. The issue I see long term is inbreeding depression once they're placed back into the damaged reef (small genetic variation in founding populations) although I am not familiar with what extent cnidaria are affected by inbreeding.
 
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Already have super corals that are heat resistant, cold resistant, parameter swing resistant, hydration resistant and disease resistant. Pretty cheap and readily available too.

 
Thanks for the healthy discussion, @SlugSnorter @bert236 @Doctorgori @rhostam and the timely and useful link for discussion @Azedenkae (https://www.aims.gov.au/reef-recovery/assisted-evolution)

I was trained in wildlife managment, fisheries biology (a long time ago) and a point I have been thinking about and that your answers seemed to account for is that while we do have superior minds for examining and manipulating our environment, at the same time we don't seem to possess enough understanding of the existing "ecosystems" and the coral that survive in them now to necessarily select or manipulate corals in a lab that should then be introduced back into the wild population with the unknown risks of accidentally causing more harm than good by these actions.

The projects of propagation and manipulation in Florida I initially applauded. As I have struggled to keep corals at home it has slowly occurred to me that there may be too many variables in play in the wild that we may not understand until after we get done with our enhancement project(s) and start to reap the results. The Florida projects have good intentions, but someone has coined a phrase; The road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

Thanks for the dialogue. It is very encoraging to see that we do care about our reefs, about our inputs into the environment and the results that we get. Please don't outplant anything until after I exit the planet! :)

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Steady as she goes, let's not do anything too quickly! :)
 
One thing that comes to mind for me is.

How many species of coral would be subject to "enhancement"? I'm not a coral biologist but it would seem that you would have to work with LOTS of various species to even make a reintroduction biologically diverse...provided the reef completely cooks and all that is left are discoma mushrooms and ugly palys.

I feel life will find a way, things will be different, some things will survive, some will not.

I've worked in various fisheries fields for about 30 years, all over the country with native fishes and non native fishes. I've seen lots of things change, native fishes that held ground for years gradually get overtake by invasives. I've also seen LOTS of money being poured into large restoration projects where doing the right thing (removing several migration barriers) isn't done and the project fails. Or some small piece of the puzzle is overlooked or ignored because it doesn't seem to be significant at the time.
 

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