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I have a 13.5 fluval that’s approximately 8 months old with a cuc and one clown. The most recent addition to the tank was a cleaner shrimp and a baby yasha goby that was added 3 weeks ago. Parameters and temperatures are normal, there is an abundance of red slime and algae, and an oxygen pump + air stone. Yesterday I noticed my usually active and semi agressive clown was hiding in a crevice between the live rock and sand, I was in a rush to get to school and since he did not come out I did not feed him. Today I noticed he still has not come out of the rock so I moved the rock because I couldn’t tell if he was dead or not. He began to swim around the tank and lay in the sand until I put the rock back down where it was. I thought it could be oxygen deprevation so I added extra oxygen. While I was doing my water change and removing algae off the glass I removed the rock again to check on him and he was doing worse. I tried to feed him but he wouldn’t eat (which is highly unusual considering he eats 2-3 times a day and eats whatever the shrimp doesn’t.) After I cleaned the tank he began to violently dive into the sand and rub in the sand (Again not unusual but weird, I’ve had multiple experiences where he would lay in the sand bed and roll in it until he got bored and he would be fine again, and he used to dig in the sand with my goby with his fins but not like this.) He then landed on the bottom of the tank and he has not moved in over an hour and he is breathing extremely hard. His colors are normal and bright, and his slime coat is thick but not unusual looking. I’m really worried I’m going to lose him. I lost another clown in a different tank who had the same behaviors two days ago. His other tank mates are just fine. I just don‘t know what to do because I love the little guy and I feel horrible because I’ve had so many fish losses recently. I feel like a major failure.

Edit- He is still alive as I’m writing this but he is barely breathing and won’t move even when you prod him.
 
I have a 13.5 fluval that’s approximately 8 months old with a cuc and one clown. The most recent addition to the tank was a cleaner shrimp and a baby yasha goby that was added 3 weeks ago. Parameters and temperatures are normal, there is an abundance of red slime and algae, and an oxygen pump + air stone. Yesterday I noticed my usually active and semi agressive clown was hiding in a crevice between the live rock and sand, I was in a rush to get to school and since he did not come out I did not feed him. Today I noticed he still has not come out of the rock so I moved the rock because I couldn’t tell if he was dead or not. He began to swim around the tank and lay in the sand until I put the rock back down where it was. I thought it could be oxygen deprevation so I added extra oxygen. While I was doing my water change and removing algae off the glass I removed the rock again to check on him and he was doing worse. I tried to feed him but he wouldn’t eat (which is highly unusual considering he eats 2-3 times a day and eats whatever the shrimp doesn’t.) After I cleaned the tank he began to violently dive into the sand and rub in the sand (Again not unusual but weird, I’ve had multiple experiences where he would lay in the sand bed and roll in it until he got bored and he would be fine again, and he used to dig in the sand with my goby with his fins but not like this.) He then landed on the bottom of the tank and he has not moved in over an hour and he is breathing extremely hard. His colors are normal and bright, and his slime coat is thick but not unusual looking. I’m really worried I’m going to lose him. I lost another clown in a different tank who had the same behaviors two days ago. His other tank mates are just fine. I just don‘t know what to do because I love the little guy and I feel horrible because I’ve had so many fish losses recently. I feel like a major failure.

Edit- He is still alive as I’m writing this but he is barely breathing and won’t move even when you prod him.
Pics under white light will help a lot
 
Pics under white light will help a lot
I moved him into a breeding box because the shrimp started pecking at his eyes and was digging into his gills and he was trying to get away but couldn't. The white is sand I didn't knock off. Here's a video of him falling over + pictures. He "perked up" a bit when I turned the bright light on but fell over again.
 

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I moved him into a breeding box because the shrimp started pecking at his eyes and was digging into his gills and he was trying to get away but couldn't. The white is sand I didn't knock off. Here's a video of him falling over + pictures. He "perked up" a bit when I turned the bright light on but fell over again.
I’m sorry to here about your fish I’m not a #fishmedic I’m still very new to this so maybe one will help out if he is still swimming
 
The video won’t load for me - is it more of a slow labored breathing, or very fast? Given a new addition, it’s possible a disease cam in. Gobies generally don’t get brook, but it could certainly affect the clown if it was carrying it. Any other disease would most likely hit the goby first.

Do you have access to formalin based meds?
 
I don't have access to any meds besides melafix and stress coat without ordering them online. It's very fast intense breathing and in the video he kept falling on his side and then trying to right himself. This morning he has a couple small pale patches but it doesn't quite look like brook. I can't get a picture of it since my phone can't handle aquarium lights without turning everything blue.

I did a 5 minutes FW dip and small white flakes came off of the clown and he began to swim at the surface for roughly an hour. Now he is back on his side gasping. More small white flakes are falling off into his box. I took the dead clown out of the freezer and the same white flakes were floating around in the water. Could it be flukes? The only thing is that the white flakes don't look like normal flukes I've seen. They're extremely tiny and they're random shapes (like when you shred paper) maybe juveniles?
 
The video won’t load for me - is it more of a slow labored breathing, or very fast? Given a new addition, it’s possible a disease cam in. Gobies generally don’t get brook, but it could certainly affect the clown if it was carrying it. Any other disease would most likely hit the goby first.

Do you have access to formalin based meds?
You can kind of see a patch of the paleness at the beginning of his tail before that stripe. It devloped this morning and wasn't there yesterday.
 

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Sounds like excess mucus is coming off - a sign of brook. Given the current symptoms, it is not likely that the fish will make it, but I would still get some formalin based meds, or ruby reef rally pro.

Can you post the video you had as a YouTube link?
 
Sounds like excess mucus is coming off - a sign of brook. Given the current symptoms, it is not likely that the fish will make it, but I would still get some formalin based meds, or ruby reef rally pro.

Can you post the video you had as a YouTube link?
here's a link to the video
 
Sounds like excess mucus is coming off - a sign of brook. Given the current symptoms, it is not likely that the fish will make it, but I would still get some formalin based meds, or ruby reef rally pro.

Can you post the video you had as a YouTube link?
If it is Brook will it affect my cleaner shrimp or no? I only see the goby once every couple of weeks since there's a tunnel system within my live rock it hides in so I'll be lucky to catch it. Should I take everyone out of the tank after/if the clown fish passes for a while? I would like to make my tank habital again. And I'm assuming it won't affect the cuc?
 
here's a link to the video
These images are very dark and im taking a wild guess that its brook. Gobies can get brook, many fish can- just not typical for most - Not just clownfish.
Images Under WHITE lighting not blue would have been helpful.
The most significant sign is the amount of slime on its body as this mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
Typical treatment is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.
With the advanced stage of this- I recommend immediate quarantine of all inhabitants and leaving display without fish for 4-6 weeks.
A quarantine system if you dont have one can be as simple as a starter tank kit from walmart which has most of the essentials
 
If it is Brook will it affect my cleaner shrimp or no? I only see the goby once every couple of weeks since there's a tunnel system within my live rock it hides in so I'll be lucky to catch it. Should I take everyone out of the tank after/if the clown fish passes for a while? I would like to make my tank habital again. And I'm assuming it won't affect the cuc?
Shrimp will not be affected - only fish can.
 
Shrimp will not be affected - only fish can.
Okay. I took my shrimp out and put him in a seperate tank since he's acting..... weird even though they can't be affected. The goby just died and the clown is worse but still trying. Ughhhhhhh.
 
Shrimp will not be affected - only fish can.
I did a small dose of stress coat and melafix this morning (the only things our pet stores can sell) and ordered Ruby Reef Rally last night. Not sure when it'll get here. I put the little dude in a QT tank and last night he was in pretty horrible shape. This morning he ate for the first time in days and he is actively swimming around and his breathing is back to normal. Should I still treat him with Ruby when it gets here?
 
Melafix is pretty useless - it’s likely not doing anything.
I would still treat with the rally when it arrives.

Sorry about the goby but I’m glad to see improvement with the clown.
 
Melafix is pretty useless - it’s likely not doing anything.
I would still treat with the rally when it arrives.

Sorry about the goby but I’m glad to see improvement with the clown.
I ended up getting medicine and I treated him for 4 days. By the time I got the medicine though my clownfish was completely fine, and treatement didn't really do anything. My cleaner started acting weird around the time I wss setting up the QT tank so I just moved him to QT keep a closer eye on him. He started acting a bit more normal again and I thought he was just shedding cause he hasn't done it in a while but he died today. Mojito (clown) is swimming weirdly (backwards/sideways) but like is acting the same before treatment.
 
I ended up getting medicine and I treated him for 4 days. By the time I got the medicine though my clownfish was completely fine, and treatement didn't really do anything. My cleaner started acting weird around the time I wss setting up the QT tank so I just moved him to QT keep a closer eye on him. He started acting a bit more normal again and I thought he was just shedding cause he hasn't done it in a while but he died today. Mojito (clown) is swimming weirdly (backwards/sideways) but like is acting the same before treatment.
It was definitely not brook. It ended disintegrating the two corals in the tank, killed my entire CUC minus two hermit crabs, (which have been losing pigmentation and are becoming quite pale), killed my cleaner shrimp (which I think mentioned before) and turned it black, killed the goby within two days, killed my other clown (in my second tank/tank beta) within 12 hours, and absolutely destroyed both actual tanks. You could smell the acidic water from across the room, weird bubbles began to grow on the walls, and random growth grew on the rocks. It even killed the hair algae in the tank. Unfortunately I didn't get pictures before disassembling the tanks. On Feb. 22 I drained tank beta, cleaned everything from the protein skimmer, filter, sand and powerheads. I removed the rock scrubbed it hard, rinsed it in harsh chlorine filled water to kill anything else and dried them for almost three weeks. I refilled with new saltwater and began to recycle the tank. I adjusted my lights so they'd only be on for 6 hours a day sometimes not on at all, turned off any wave makers besides the filter, and added an airstone that's turned on for 12 hours a day. There was no sign of infection in either the rock or the tank so I put the rocks back in and alas a week later there was the acidic smell on the rock and weird growths. I just took the rock out and I'm throwing it away. I did leave one piece of rock in that wasn't previously infected or smelt acidic like the other rocks or show signs of growth to see what it does. The bubbles are back in that tank and while the rocks smell acidic the water doesn't (yet). Originally I thought the bubbles were bits of glue that detached from the corals but they are not. They literally grow bigger and bigger and the more they grow the harder and more white their casing/shell becomes. The growth on the rocks is weird..... to say the least. It covers the entire rock in a white slime with a blue glimmer and then from there giant black spots begin to grow on top of the white and take over. I noticed a clump of hair algae that hadn't been eaten had been taken over by the white growth and then promptly died. The white literally grew on top of the algae and killed it. I tried getting pictures but my camera couldn't focus on it. I dumped my entire tank (tank Alpha) and threw everything away including rock and sand, washed it pretty good, and recycled it last weekend. So fsr there is no sign of re-infection in tank Alpha. I'm so ticked about tank Beta though because it wss almost done cycling and my clown is going stir crazy in his QT tank. Also- there is no sign of disease in the QT. No smells or growth of any kind. The only thing off is the hermit crabs becoming discolored. Literally even their shells are turning pale. About 1-2 weeks before this happened my green star polyps were thriving and flourishing and then one day I looked and a weird growth took over them but they were still out, so i gently cleared off the growth and later they quite literally disintegrated/melted/died. I thought I could ressurect them but I couldn't. My duncan was having a hard time before this but it was the last straw and it also died.

Parameters in QT:
Salinity: 1.024
PH: 7.6 (low I know)
Ammonia: 0
No-2: 0
No-3: 0-5
Parameters in Tank Alpha:
Salinity: 1.018
PH: 7.8
Ammonia: 0
No-2: 0
No-3: 0
(1 week old)

Parameters in Tank Beta:
Salinity: 1.028
PH: 7.8
Ammonia: 0
No-2: 0
No-3: 0
(Almost 4 weeks old)

Tank alpha was roughly 7-8 months old while tank beta was roughly 5-6 months when this first broke out. (I haven't measured calcium, magnesium, etc since it stays pretty stable and all my corals are dead and removed anyways. Any stores near me don't sell phosphate tests and that's the only thing I haven't tested for yet. We're ordering one now.) And it doesn't seem to affect my freshwater at all because I've used the same pitchers, equipment etc, for my fresh and saltwater. (ofc I wash between each use but a rinse doesn't seem to do much)

Any idea of what this could be? I cannot find anything like it on any reef forums and none of the local fish stores can identify it. You probably don't have more of a clue than the rest of us but worth a shot to ask. (Pictures of "bubbles" below)
 

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here's a link to the video
Image dark and not sure this is brook. There is a lot of guesswork here with meds and hate to say, UNSOUND advice. Wish this was seen sooner. Melafix is tea Tree oil and not even effective in freshwater with many illnesses. Stress coat is a water conditioner with aloe and Does Not relieve stress as label is misleading as is their test kits.
Really could have used better pics/video under white lighting for better assessment.
As for the bubbles in your post - hard to see with amount of light reflection and can use better pics here also.
 
Image dark and not sure this is brook. There is a lot of guesswork here with meds and hate to say, UNSOUND advice. Wish this was seen sooner. Melafix is tea Tree oil and not even effective in freshwater with many illnesses. Stress coat is a water conditioner with aloe and Does Not relieve stress as label is misleading as is their test kits.
Really could have used better pics/video under white lighting for better assessment.
As for the bubbles in your post - hard to see with amount of light reflection and can use better pics here also.
The clown is fine now so I'm not too worried about treatment. The stress coat etc I used didn't seem to affect it at all. Even the heavy prescription stuff I ordered didn't affect it. I'm just more worried about properly disinfecting either of the tanks because this stuff is weird and I cannot shake it.
 
The clown is fine now so I'm not too worried about treatment. The stress coat etc I used didn't seem to affect it at all. Even the heavy prescription stuff I ordered didn't affect it. I'm just more worried about properly disinfecting either of the tanks because this stuff is weird and I cannot shake it.
This wierd stuff you mention - Any Pics ?
Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet?
What test kits are you using ?

Parameters in Tank Alpha:
Salinity: 1.018 - Low
PH: 7.8
Ammonia: 0
No-2: 0
No-3: 0
(1 week old)

Parameters in Tank Beta:
Salinity: 1.028- A little high - You want 1.025-1.026
PH: 7.8
Ammonia: 0- I suspect false reading
No-2: 0
No-3: 0
(Almost 4 weeks old)
 

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