Butterflies and Mojanos

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I have been dealing with Mojano anemones for years. They never really bother my coral but they're horribly prolific and I hate them. I have gotten them to the point, several times, of not seeing a single one, but they always come back.

In the past I have injected boiling kalk paste into them with a hypodermic needle. This is about a 50% success rate, and the ones that don't die may split, so without doing it constantly I end up with just as many as I started with a few months later. Unfortunately there is always a crevice somewhere that I can't get to. I have also started over with totally new live rock and here I am, about three years later with about 100 in my tank. There must have been one on the base of a coral I transferred; who knows.

I have moved on to trying both a Klein's (aka sunburst or blacklip) butterfly as well as a Raccoon butterfly.

This thread is to document my success/failure in hopes that it helps someone else later.

I have a 300g SPS tank and an 80g mixed coral frag tank. Initially I wanted to keep both in the 80g, with no other fish, with a single rock with a few mojanos and some other assorted corals as an experiment to see who would eat what. I also wanted to use the 80g as a quarantine tank so that I didn't risk any of the fish in my 300. Things didn't go as planned though.

6/21/2019: I received one of each fish from LiveAquaria. Generally I try to buy fish locally but the online price and warranty was just too attractive in this instance. Unfortunately the Raccoon died immediately but was warrantied. So the Klein's (2.5") went into the 80g by himself. I put a grapefruit sized rock with about 4 mojanos in the tank with him, along with the existing live rock in the tank, a green sinularia leather, a eunicea gorgonian, a couple paly polyps, a monti digi, an Acro valida, and a small chalice frag. I figured this would give me enough diversity to see what he would or wouldn't eat.

7/11/2019: I got another Raccoon from LiveAquaria. Up to this point the Klein's has not touched anything. He does not eat the mojanos; he does not eat the coral. But he is eating spectra pellets and frozen; go figure. I acclimated the new Raccoon (3") and put him in the 80g with the Klein's. The Klein's hates the Raccoon. It chased him incessantly. It didn't actually nip the fins but it was clearly a problem.

7/13/2019: The Klein's wouldn't leave the Raccoon alone and despite my better judgement I went ahead and put the Raccoon in my 300g. Up to this point neither fish touched the Mojanos or the coral frags; both just pecked at the rocks all day. I figured I had a better chance at the Raccoon eating the mojanos in the 300 since the Klein's has had several weeks in the 80g and not touched the mojanos at all. I acclimated the Raccoon and then proceeded to watch my Lamarck's angel beat him around pretty bad. Obviously frustrated at this point; catching him would be an immense undertaking so they just had to work it out. Fortunately they did, and the Raccoon also started pecking at some mojanos later that day! Note: the Raccoon was in the 80g for two days and didn't touch the "test" mojanos, but was in the 300g for two hours and starting hitting them. I can't explain that.

7/16/2019: This morning I would say 3/4 of my mojanos in the 300 are closed or shrunken. They are not "dead" but look unhappy. The Raccoon hits them constantly. He isn't killing them, per se, but it clearly harms the anemone when he strikes. He has not touched any of the coral (mostly acros with a couple large chalices and a dozen zoa clusters). The Klein's is doing great in the 80g and still hasn't touched the mojanos or any of the assorted coral. My plan is to remove the chalices and zoas from the 300g in the near future, but I will let them stay until I actually see the Raccoon bite them.


Will update again later.....

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I have no experience with them but I hear the Copperband butterfly is a really good choice.
 
My Burgess took care of both mojano and aiptasia have not seen so much as a single pest anemone in the display since the week after introducing him. he is curious about new Rock flowers, but if i put a dead coral skeleton, to hide them for the first day he leaves them alone. I found copperbands quite unreliable at eating large pest anemone but they were typically happy to eat the tiny babies.
 
All the roaops are generally way safer with coral than klines or Racoon, and have a higher propensity to eat pest anemone than the long noses.
 
Yes, but a Mitratus is like $400 / Tinkeri like $700 (and a Burgess is still $150ish). I'm willing to try out the Burgess if this fails, but I am looking at $25 and $40ish for the ones I'm trying. I do appreciate the advise but those other roaops are cost prohibitive for me. It might be the right risk/value arrangement for other folks though.

edit: It's also worth noting that I'm really an SPS guy and I don't mind moving the very few non-SPS corals if needed.
 
Back quite a few years ago I had a majano problem in a 135 softy tank.
I added a Raccoon and a Kleins together.
It took several months but they both were going at them.
Then they started in on button polyps. But what seemed strange was they seemed to concentrate on the skirts of the button polyps.
I wonder if your Raccoon is just eating the tentacles off the majanos? Just the frilly parts?
 
Thanks for posting your results so far and I’m interested to hear your updates. I don’t have a Mojano problem but I have some standard mushrooms I’d like to get rid of or at least keep in check and have considered a butterfly for the job.
 
Racoons are well known anemone killers. If it does the job, would you consider maintaining the fish to ensure the majanos don’t repopulate the tank?

Yes; I hope to keep it long term. We’ll see how it goes!
 
I too have seen people have great success with roaps but not tried them myself.

I used kleins to get rid of pest anemones when I ran a lfs. We used to get corals and rock traded in and often they had things we had to deal with before we could sell them, so I setup a tank with a kleins to deal with anything before they were sold. My experience was similar to yours in that it didn't do a great deal but that significantly changed when I added more. The fish in the group were ravanous and literally stripped anemones from the rocks when i was still holding them. The downside was if i added zoas or softies I needed to remove them as soon as the anemones had gone or they would begin to nip at them.

I understand a group isn't possible for everyone but perhaps it is the scenario with the best chance of success, even if they will only tolerate being in a group for a short while.
 
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8/6/2019: Three more weeks have gone by. The Raccoon has killed off about 90% of the mojanos. There are still a dozen or more shrunken in the rocks but they haven't expanded in quite some time. The raccoon has also now moved onto other zoas and palys in the tank (as expected). He has eaten about 100 or so palys, including about 20 or so captain americas that weren't practical to remove. He also occasionally nips at the chalices but they don't seem too irritated yet. I am closely monitoring the other corals. He has not touched the SPS at all. Overall, though, there is significant progress with the mojano eradication!
 
I have a saddleback,teardrop, Klein’s orange and a pyramid in my 180. No aptasia stands a chance. The saddleback with those pincher type jaws really can get at them. The Klein’s ate a large chalice. Never saw the teardrop or pyramid eat any of the above.
 
8/11/2019: Well, this experiment is over. In a rapid turn of events the Raccoon ate approximately 100 tips off of my Red Robin colony (and a few others) all in the course of 1 day. I spent about 4 hours last night draining my 300g tank into trash cans to remove the ludicrously heavy rocks full of acro heads to catch this guy. Fortunately I only have about 6 actual rocks in my tank so other then the risk of hoisting 80lb chunks out over the edge it went relatively smoothly. I still have some mojanos but overall he ate about 90%+. I’m going to inject the ones I can today while I think about other viable alternatives toward complete eradication. Definitely pretty annoyed right now but I knew this was a possibility...
 
With manjano I'd try manual removal for the ones you can get to. They are very similar to baby bubble tips in that they have quite a strong food. Unlike with aiptasia where you touch it and you rip through the skin, if you use a cocktail stick or something similar, it's pretty easy to get under the manjano's foot and peel it off (after a little practice).
It's a pain for the ones you can't get to but you could also try a little pipe over the top of them. If they don't get flow and light, they crawl up the pipe for easy removal.
 
I’ve been fighting this battle for well over 10 years now. The problem is that it’s simply not possible to get to them all in the tank. I’ve been to the point before of not “seeing” any of them but they always come back. Manual removal/injection/covering with putty does help but I need a permanent and total solution, hence the fish idea. I’m still considering another butterfly and trying again to finish it completely. Just not sure yet.
 

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