Calcium question.dosing more or less....

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Ok so I have a mixed reef. Sps,Lps and softy.
Standard 29 gallon.
Here's my question. I usually keep my alk at around 11-12. And cal about 560. Now from testing. I have noticed in every 3 days or so my calcium goes from 560 to about 360! My thing is my alk does not move any but I am dosing b ionic 2 part alk and calcium. I do this every 3 days. My alk in this 3 day period will go from 12 to 11. But my calcium will go from 560 to 350. Now it used to be all would drop about 3 points from 12 and calcium would only drop 100 from 560. Is this normal? Should I up my doseing of just calcium by adding another day. So dose 2 out of 3 days of just calcium and one day alk? P.s everything looks great and is growing fast.
 
What's your mg and are you noticing rapid coralline algae growth or calcification on your equipment?
 
What's your mg and are you noticing rapid coralline algae growth or calcification on your equipment?

Coralline has been steady as always. I have to scrape my front glass with a razor every week for just that.
 
As for mag I have never tested it at all. I do dose it how ever once a week. B ionic
 
To maintain 560 ppm calcium you would also have to maintain approximately 1680 ppm magnesium. The calcium is likely precipitating out of solution because of low magnesium.
 
I'm not sure why you want to keep calcium so high, but I am absolutely certain that it is not dropping from 560 ppm to 360 ppm in 3 days (unless you did a complete water change with a low calcium salt mix).

Otherwise, it is testing error.

The only way for calcium to significantly decline is to form calcium carbonate, and for it to do so and result in a 200 ppm drop in calcium, alkalinity must decline by about 28 dKH.

Since I presume the alkalinity did not decline by 28 dKH in that time, calcium couldn't have declined that much. :)
 
Now that you put it in perspective I think it's my mag being low. I'm either gonna grap a test kit( God help me) or have blakes Aqua den test it. For now I'm gonna dose some more mag and see what happeneds. And as for the everyday dose schedule I did that befor to no avail. Stuff would drop faster then I would put in. I will look into it better tho. Oh and no I haven't done a water change in 2 weeks.
 
Magnesium at any level did not cause that calcium change since alkalinity did not drop proportionally. It is just testing error..

I also wouldn't add magnesium without measuring it, since many mixes already have high levels.

How would you decide how much to add? There is already a huge amount of magnesium in seawater. Adding a little won't do anything even if it is low, and adding a lot might drive it higher than is desirable.
 
Magnesium at any level did not cause that calcium change since alkalinity did not drop proportionally. It is just testing error..

I also wouldn't add magnesium without measuring it, since many mixes already have high levels.

How would you decide how much to add? There is already a huge amount of magnesium in seawater. Adding a little won't do anything even if it is low, and adding a lot might drive it higher than is desirable.

I am using Red Sea reg salt(blue bucket). I just did. ( befor I even read this ) 25 ml dose of b ionic mag. So that's only my display worth of water. Not including another 30 gallon for the sump. I am goin to test all of it now. Beside mag. I can't find a store that has it on hand at the moment. I will post details here in few mins. I dosed alk and cal yesterday.
 
Ph 8.4
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10
Alk 9
Cal 380
Phos 0
Salinity 1.025
Red Sea blue bucket salt. Last water change oct 30th.
 
I would dose equal parts of the two part in sufficient quantity to keep the alk where you want it, and just monitor the calcium for a week or two, but do not change any dosing because of it until you get a handle on the calcium dosing variability.
:)
 
I would dose equal parts of the two part in sufficient quantity to keep the alk where you want it, and just monitor the calcium for a week or two, but do not change any dosing because of it until you get a handle on the calcium dosing variability.
:)

Is there a crash course on dosing here somewhere? I have a small Handel on it like how cal,alk and mag work together with each other hence why I have just those three. I know the others are important but not beeded for me yet cause I'm not stocked like that and am getting by with the water changes but cal and alk seem to be used more than anything
 
Is there a crash course on dosing here somewhere? I have a small Handel on it like how cal,alk and mag work together with each other hence why I have just those three. I know the others are important but not beeded for me yet cause I'm not stocked like that and am getting by with the water changes but cal and alk seem to be used more than anything


Well, these discuss dosing:

An Improved Do-it-Yourself Two-Part Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

The “How To†Guide to Reef Aquarium Chemistry for Beginners Part 2: What Chemicals Must be Supplemented by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

and this thread has the full course:

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/re...ey/174821-randys-reef-chemistry-articles.html

from the first one on dosing of my two part:

#1 5]An Improved Do-it-Yourself Two-Part Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com[/url]

The dosing instructions are basically the same for each recipe, although any given aquarium will end up using about twice as much of recipe #2 as recipe #1 to add the same amount of calcium and alkalinity.


To initiate dosing, first adjust calcium and alkalinity to roughly their correct ranges. This may require a substantial dose of just the calcium part if calcium is low (e.g., below 380 ppm). I would suggest targeting calcium between 380 and 450 ppm, and alkalinity between 2.5 and 4 meq/L (7-11 dKH; 125-200 ppm calcium carbonate equivalents).


This calculator shows how much of what parts to add in order to boost one or both of the parameters by a certain amount:


Reef Chemistry Calculator


Then, once things seem roughly correct, select a starting daily dose for routine dosing. Here are some suggested starting doses, but the exact values do not matter much. The suggested doses apply to both recipes.
After a few days of dosing, note whether alkalinity is low, high or on target. Only bother to test alkalinity, not calcium, during this period, because it is much more sensitive than calcium to over- or underdosing. Adjust the dose up or down as necessary to increase or decrease the alkalinity.


Once you have determined the proper dose, continue it until there is a substantial reason to adjust it (such as falling alkalinity as the corals increase in size). When adjusting the dose, raise or lower both of the recipe's parts together.


Resist the temptation to keep jiggering calcium and alkalinity independently. They will need occasional corrections, but that should not be the normal course of dosing unless there are substantial outside influences, such as water changes with a salt mix that does not match the tank's parameters or an error in making the mixes.


Check alkalinity fairly frequently to make sure the dosing continues at a suitable rate. Check it maybe once a week to once a month (or less as you get more experienced with the system and the tank). Check calcium once a month to once every few months to make sure it continues on track.


Remember to add an appropriate amount of Part 3 each time you finish adding a gallon of Parts 1 and 2.
 

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