Calcium reactor vs dosing

calcium reactor or dosing

  • Calcium reactor

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Automatic dosing

    Votes: 17 58.6%

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Im thinking about switching to calcium reactor.
I have no idea how it works, what to do.
I will obviously learn.
What is the good and bad about a calcium reactor.
Is it better than dosing?
Thank you.
 
Here's a brief description. You fill a chamber with old coral skeletons, then inject small amounts of CO2 to reduce the pH inside the chamber which slowly dissolves the skeletons. There is a small pump that circulates water within the reaction chamber to ensure consistency.

In addition to the closed circuit above, one feeds a very small amount of water through the system. Think a dripping faucet to a water fountain worth of flow.

The amount of elements released are controlled by adjusting the pH within the reactor and/or the amount of water fed to the reactor.
 
Aaannd here's how I dose calcium. 1 tsp kalkwasser (my tank is fairly low demand right now unfortunately :() in my ATO :)
 
COST ASIDE COMPLETELY, a properly set up calcium reactor is going to be superior in just about every way. It's more of a complete dosing method. You are dosing everything corals need to build skeleton, because it's melted skeletons that you're dosing basically. The amount of work in maintaining is basically zero. The last 6-8 months or so I've been running mine, literally the only hands on work I've had to do is a 60 second alk test with the Hanna checker, and the push of a button on the feed pump to either increase or decrease how much I supplement. That's it. If you sufficiently over size your reactor and co2, you can successfully get by for up to a couple years easily without taking it out, giving it a quick scrub and refill. It's so stupidly easy and maintenance free once it's set up. And you have a MUCH higher ceiling of how much you can supplement.

Those are the positives. The single biggest negative is the cost involved. A properly set up reactor will have a quality well built reactor that doesn't leak and circulates efficiently, which will cost between $200 (low end of used pricing) upward to $500-1000 for large top shelf home tank sized reactors priced brand new.

Your co2 regulator is also a critical point of the reactor. Now you can get a cheap one on Amazon for under $100, but those single stage regulators are horribly unreliable, and have widely shifting output pressure requiring constant adjustment. Your alk may be bouncing all over the place, and it wouldn't even be worth running a reactor if it's making your tank unstable. A decent regulator like the carbon doser will run $200-300 used or new, and a quality custom built dual stage barstock grade regulator will run $250-1000 depending on where you source parts and how picky you are.

Then there's the feed pump. Lots of people run theirs off of their return pump or on a maxijet. But realize that you're at the mercy of your needle valve to control flow, which may likely clog, often, and adjustments will be on the extreme side. A lot of people are using the Mastetflex continuous duty peristaltic pumps which can be adjusted in rpm which on my own model is down to 2.2 ml/min adjustments which is a pretty fine adjustment range. The downside to these pumps is that the cheaper ones tend to be quite large and quite noisy for $200-300, and the brushless models may be silent, but are costly in the $300-500+ range used.

Factor in your extra ph probe for your reactor, spare masterflex tubing, co2 tank, and media, and even in the LOW end, if you want a reliable setup, you're looking at close to $1000. Setup is more expensive and complicated. But once you take that bite, it really is worth it
 
COST ASIDE COMPLETELY, a properly set up calcium reactor is going to be superior in just about every way. It's more of a complete dosing method. You are dosing everything corals need to build skeleton, because it's melted skeletons that you're dosing basically. The amount of work in maintaining is basically zero. The last 6-8 months or so I've been running mine, literally the only hands on work I've had to do is a 60 second alk test with the Hanna checker, and the push of a button on the feed pump to either increase or decrease how much I supplement. That's it. If you sufficiently over size your reactor and co2, you can successfully get by for up to a couple years easily without taking it out, giving it a quick scrub and refill. It's so stupidly easy and maintenance free once it's set up. And you have a MUCH higher ceiling of how much you can supplement.

Those are the positives. The single biggest negative is the cost involved. A properly set up reactor will have a quality well built reactor that doesn't leak and circulates efficiently, which will cost between $200 (low end of used pricing) upward to $500-1000 for large top shelf home tank sized reactors priced brand new.

Your co2 regulator is also a critical point of the reactor. Now you can get a cheap one on Amazon for under $100, but those single stage regulators are horribly unreliable, and have widely shifting output pressure requiring constant adjustment. Your alk may be bouncing all over the place, and it wouldn't even be worth running a reactor if it's making your tank unstable. A decent regulator like the carbon doser will run $200-300 used or new, and a quality custom built dual stage barstock grade regulator will run $250-1000 depending on where you source parts and how picky you are.

Then there's the feed pump. Lots of people run theirs off of their return pump or on a maxijet. But realize that you're at the mercy of your needle valve to control flow, which may likely clog, often, and adjustments will be on the extreme side. A lot of people are using the Mastetflex continuous duty peristaltic pumps which can be adjusted in rpm which on my own model is down to 2.2 ml/min adjustments which is a pretty fine adjustment range. The downside to these pumps is that the cheaper ones tend to be quite large and quite noisy for $200-300, and the brushless models may be silent, but are costly in the $300-500+ range used.

Factor in your extra ph probe for your reactor, spare masterflex tubing, co2 tank, and media, and even in the LOW end, if you want a reliable setup, you're looking at close to $1000. Setup is more expensive and complicated. But once you take that bite, it really is worth it
That was a pretty convincing post. May have to consider adding it to the "retirement tank" list of equipment :)
 
COST ASIDE COMPLETELY, a properly set up calcium reactor is going to be superior in just about every way. It's more of a complete dosing method. You are dosing everything corals need to build skeleton, because it's melted skeletons that you're dosing basically. The amount of work in maintaining is basically zero. The last 6-8 months or so I've been running mine, literally the only hands on work I've had to do is a 60 second alk test with the Hanna checker, and the push of a button on the feed pump to either increase or decrease how much I supplement. That's it. If you sufficiently over size your reactor and co2, you can successfully get by for up to a couple years easily without taking it out, giving it a quick scrub and refill. It's so stupidly easy and maintenance free once it's set up. And you have a MUCH higher ceiling of how much you can supplement.

Those are the positives. The single biggest negative is the cost involved. A properly set up reactor will have a quality well built reactor that doesn't leak and circulates efficiently, which will cost between $200 (low end of used pricing) upward to $500-1000 for large top shelf home tank sized reactors priced brand new.

Your co2 regulator is also a critical point of the reactor. Now you can get a cheap one on Amazon for under $100, but those single stage regulators are horribly unreliable, and have widely shifting output pressure requiring constant adjustment. Your alk may be bouncing all over the place, and it wouldn't even be worth running a reactor if it's making your tank unstable. A decent regulator like the carbon doser will run $200-300 used or new, and a quality custom built dual stage barstock grade regulator will run $250-1000 depending on where you source parts and how picky you are.

Then there's the feed pump. Lots of people run theirs off of their return pump or on a maxijet. But realize that you're at the mercy of your needle valve to control flow, which may likely clog, often, and adjustments will be on the extreme side. A lot of people are using the Mastetflex continuous duty peristaltic pumps which can be adjusted in rpm which on my own model is down to 2.2 ml/min adjustments which is a pretty fine adjustment range. The downside to these pumps is that the cheaper ones tend to be quite large and quite noisy for $200-300, and the brushless models may be silent, but are costly in the $300-500+ range used.

Factor in your extra ph probe for your reactor, spare masterflex tubing, co2 tank, and media, and even in the LOW end, if you want a reliable setup, you're looking at close to $1000. Setup is more expensive and complicated. But once you take that bite, it really is worth it
Wow! Looks complicated at first, but worth it. Would you be able to show me everything I will need it? Will the sps corals be healthier? How long a co2 tank last? Maybe I get a good deal now on black friday lol
 
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Now that the turkey is in the oven...

My tank crashed and I addressed some long term poor husbandry, so my tank is at a very low demand point. I have my pH set to 7.1 and my Watson Marlow pump is at 5 rpm. My tank has been gradually increasing in uptake and I've been able to keep my alk within 0.15 and my tank pH has been from 7.82-8.02.

A quick shopping list:

Reactor with circulation pump
Regulator
Feed pump
pH controller

The feed pump and regulator is where one should focus on quality. They are the heart and lungs of the system.
 
Any sugestion to a good reactor? Im looking at the reef octopus... pricey but it looks like good quality. Any other?
 
Im thinking about switching to calcium reactor.
I have no idea how it works, what to do.
I will obviously learn.
What is the good and bad about a calcium reactor.
Is it better than dosing?
Thank you.


If you have no idea how it works, then you may not realize that your poll is unnecessarily limited to just two of several possible methods of calcium and alkalinity supplementation.

I compare all of the best methods here:

The Many Methods for Supplementing Calcium and Alkalinity - REEFEDITION
https://www.reef2reef.com/blog/the-many-methods-for-supplementing-calcium-and-alkalinity
 
COST ASIDE COMPLETELY, a properly set up calcium reactor is going to be superior in just about every way.

Except for, well, let me list them... lol

1. Lower pH.
2. Lack of easy control of magnesium.
3. Complexity
4. Space needed for equipment

Its a fine method, especially for big tanks, but I do not consider it superior to some other methods. :)
 
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Except for, well, let me list them... lol

1. Lower pH.
2. Lack of easy control of magnesium.
3. Complexity
4. Space needed for equipment

Its a fine method, especially for big tanks, but I do not consider it superior to some other methods. :)

That hasn't been my experience thus far though. I imagine it has been at some point for some people.
1. Even with a single chamber reactor, my ph reaches 8.25 daily without using kalkwasser
2. Regular water changes keep my magnesium at 1350 ppm. I haven't had to dose magnesium specifically in over 2 years
3. You got me there. Simple isn't part of it, but once it's set it's simple as can be.
4. My regulator and co2 take up the exact same footprint under my stand as the dosing jugs and dosing pumps did. Space is dead even so that's no disadvantage
 
If you have no idea how it works, then you may not realize that your poll is unnecessarily limited to just two of several possible methods of calcium and alkalinity supplementation.

I compare all of the best methods here:

The Many Methods for Supplementing Calcium and Alkalinity - REEFEDITION
https://www.reef2reef.com/blog/the-many-methods-for-supplementing-calcium-and-alkalinity
Right! The poll is for ME to know what people prefere, whatever they vote is probably what they use or have it. I believe the one with more votes is the better method meaning its the better choice.
 
Except for, well, let me list them... lol

1. Lower pH.
2. Lack of easy control of magnesium.
3. Complexity
4. Space needed for equipment

Its a fine method, especially for big tanks, but I do not consider it superior to some other methods. :)
Space could be a problem! Do you think a 120g is big enough to run it?
 
Right! The poll is for ME to know what people prefere, whatever they vote is probably what they use or have it. I believe the one with more votes is the better method meaning its the better choice.

Just remember that "best" is very subjective, and can vary widely based on your specific circumstances. What's better, Ford or Chevy? Don't discount Randy's con list.
 
Just remember that "best" is very subjective, and can vary widely based on your specific circumstances. What's better, Ford or Chevy? Don't discount Randy's con list.
I didnt! I just want something more steady. My calcium goes up and down... one week 450 the other week is 500, without me touching anything on my dosers. So does alk. I think having a calcium reactor would fix this. Im tired of mixing jugs of calcium chloride. In the long run I will save more money too-
 
It may or may not save money. Same as the ol' led vs bulbs argument. If money is saved it's a small amount after a long time unless you're functioning on a massive scale and got a super cheap "upgrade". Make the decision based on what interests you and what you have space for. I got a calcium reactor because I wanted one. Not because dosing doesn't work. If your dosers are fluctuating, something nicer like a ghl doser which is really known for fine adjustments, quality motors, and super stable.
 
Except for, well, let me list them... lol

1. Lower pH.
2. Lack of easy control of magnesium.
3. Complexity
4. Space needed for equipment

Its a fine method, especially for big tanks, but I do not consider it superior to some other methods. :)

I agree with Randy. It seems like so many people what to put calcium reactors on the top of a mountain. There are other ways to maintain your CAL and ALK that work just as well if not better than a calcium reactor. So to say that they're superior in just about every way is a bit bold. :-)
 
What have we learned here? In any "this vs that" thread there will be people swearing up and down that their method is best and disagreeing with the opposition with their own reasons. Sounds a lot like politics, maybe with a little less mass hysteria. Again. Pick what you personally want based on pros and cons you've heard. Either way it sounds like you're in for an upgrade of sorts. Be it a better doser or a carx. Do what interests and excites you more because you can maintain a healthy tank with either
 
This is one of those things that is best decided on a tank to tank basis. It definitely isn't as simple as weighing advantages of one system vs the other system WITHOUT clearly considering all the variables involved in the tank that it is intended for. What I mean is your tanks consumption of elements is going to be completely different from anyone else's. That is what is going to determine which one is more "economically viable". The "less work" part only comes through experience of running your personal setup and whether you (or whoever designed it) REALLY thought everything out.

I've got a big ole GEO calcium reactor just sitting in my spare room. Maybe one day I will need it on my tank. Today isn't that day though. My livestock doesn't consume enough yet for it to need to be put on the tank. Dosing is REALLY stupidly simple, and if you dose true balling method, there really isn't an imbalance created. It's easy to maintain numbers via dosing 2 part. That being said I am not having to dump 750ml of alkalinity solution in my tank every day to make up for a tank packed full of sps. That definitely warrants the calcium reactor!

Short answer, I like both! But they both have their places. ;):)
 

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