Breakthecycle2
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Can anyone tell me how these work? I never used one before and Im thinking I should maybe get one. I have some SPS and LPS currently. Tank is only a few months old. Total water volume is around 250.
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I discuss it here, along with a comparison to the other methods of calcium and alkalinity supplementation:
The Many Methods For Supplementing Calcium And Alkalinity
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Calcium Carbonate/Carbon Dioxide Reactors
Calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors work by removing water from the tank, adding carbon dioxide to reduce the pH to about pH 6.5, and then allowing the more acidic water to dissolve solid calcium carbonate media that is present in a mixing chamber. The water is then returned to the tank with its extra calcium and alkalinity (bicarbonate):
CaCO3 + H+ → Ca2+ + HCO3-
Reef tanks employing such reactors typically run at a pH below that of natural seawater, with typical tank pH values of 7.7 to 8.1. The reason for the low pH is the constant delivery of low pH solution to the tank, adding both excess CO2 and bicarbonate. There is no way around this completely, but some reactors incorporate a second chamber, allowing the liquid to pass over additional calcium carbonate media, making better use of the carbon dioxide that is actually added. Aquaria then blow off this extra CO2 and the pH rises, but the effect is typically not complete, and the pH often stays below what would be the case if the same tank water were fully aerated (that is, equilibrated) with normal air.
The media used is important in these systems, with the aragonite form of calcium carbonate being more readily dissolved than the calcite form (although both work). Also, the nature of the impurities can be very important, as nearly all of the impurities will be dissolved and delivered to the tank. Some of these impurities may be desired by the aquarist (such as magnesium and strontium) and some may not be (such as phosphate or copper). Phosphate in reactor media has sometimes become a point of competition between commercial suppliers of media for such reactors, but I would advise aquarists to be skeptical of some of these claims.
One big advantage of these reactors is that they can be scaled to deliver any amount of calcium and alkalinity needed by any tank. For this reason, they are greatly favored by those who have tanks with a high demand for calcium and alkalinity. Because of the low pH that often results, many of these aquarists choose to dose limewater in conjunction with the reactor, not because the reactor cannot supply enough calcium and alkalinity, but purely to raise the pH in the tank itself. The synergy between limewater and CaCO3/CO2 reactors involves more than just pH. Limewater uses up CO2 and CaCO3/CO2 reactors deliver it to the tank. Together, they combine to keep CO2(and consequently, pH) more in line with natural seawater.
Calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors take up a substantial amount of space, since one needs a carbon dioxide cylinder, a reaction chamber, and a pump. Typically, these systems are used close to a tank, but they could be remote if appropriate water flows to and from the tank could be worked out. Once an aquarist has properly adjusted the reactor system, it requires minimal monitoring for a substantial period. Tank salinity will not increase over time using calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors.
The likelihood of problems from overdosing using such a reactor is minimal. Since the pH is typically low, even substantially elevated calcium and alkalinity values may not cause a dramatic calcium carbonate precipitation event. More likely is just slow precipitation onto heaters and pump impellers. Accidental delivery of large amounts of CO2 to the tank is a concern, but that is a rare accident.
The initial costs of such reactor systems can be considerable, typically about $300-600 for the reactor itself, plus additional costs for the CO2 apparatus. Media costs vary, but a bit over $2 per pounds is typical. That puts the media cost at about $0.30 per thousand meq of alkalinity. DIY ground limestone can be used as media for a tiny fraction of this cost, if you can find it locally. The carbon dioxide cost also needs to be figured in, so that might push the total to about $0.40 per thousand meq of alkalinity.
The primary safety concern for these systems involves the carbon dioxide gas cylinder. Any high-pressure gas cylinder can be very dangerous if the cylinder head should become damaged. So be careful to not drop such cylinders least they become rockets.
The Many Methods For Supplementing Calcium And Alkalinity
from it:
Calcium Carbonate/Carbon Dioxide Reactors
Calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors work by removing water from the tank, adding carbon dioxide to reduce the pH to about pH 6.5, and then allowing the more acidic water to dissolve solid calcium carbonate media that is present in a mixing chamber. The water is then returned to the tank with its extra calcium and alkalinity (bicarbonate):
CaCO3 + H+ → Ca2+ + HCO3-
Reef tanks employing such reactors typically run at a pH below that of natural seawater, with typical tank pH values of 7.7 to 8.1. The reason for the low pH is the constant delivery of low pH solution to the tank, adding both excess CO2 and bicarbonate. There is no way around this completely, but some reactors incorporate a second chamber, allowing the liquid to pass over additional calcium carbonate media, making better use of the carbon dioxide that is actually added. Aquaria then blow off this extra CO2 and the pH rises, but the effect is typically not complete, and the pH often stays below what would be the case if the same tank water were fully aerated (that is, equilibrated) with normal air.
The media used is important in these systems, with the aragonite form of calcium carbonate being more readily dissolved than the calcite form (although both work). Also, the nature of the impurities can be very important, as nearly all of the impurities will be dissolved and delivered to the tank. Some of these impurities may be desired by the aquarist (such as magnesium and strontium) and some may not be (such as phosphate or copper). Phosphate in reactor media has sometimes become a point of competition between commercial suppliers of media for such reactors, but I would advise aquarists to be skeptical of some of these claims.
One big advantage of these reactors is that they can be scaled to deliver any amount of calcium and alkalinity needed by any tank. For this reason, they are greatly favored by those who have tanks with a high demand for calcium and alkalinity. Because of the low pH that often results, many of these aquarists choose to dose limewater in conjunction with the reactor, not because the reactor cannot supply enough calcium and alkalinity, but purely to raise the pH in the tank itself. The synergy between limewater and CaCO3/CO2 reactors involves more than just pH. Limewater uses up CO2 and CaCO3/CO2 reactors deliver it to the tank. Together, they combine to keep CO2(and consequently, pH) more in line with natural seawater.
Calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors take up a substantial amount of space, since one needs a carbon dioxide cylinder, a reaction chamber, and a pump. Typically, these systems are used close to a tank, but they could be remote if appropriate water flows to and from the tank could be worked out. Once an aquarist has properly adjusted the reactor system, it requires minimal monitoring for a substantial period. Tank salinity will not increase over time using calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors.
The likelihood of problems from overdosing using such a reactor is minimal. Since the pH is typically low, even substantially elevated calcium and alkalinity values may not cause a dramatic calcium carbonate precipitation event. More likely is just slow precipitation onto heaters and pump impellers. Accidental delivery of large amounts of CO2 to the tank is a concern, but that is a rare accident.
The initial costs of such reactor systems can be considerable, typically about $300-600 for the reactor itself, plus additional costs for the CO2 apparatus. Media costs vary, but a bit over $2 per pounds is typical. That puts the media cost at about $0.30 per thousand meq of alkalinity. DIY ground limestone can be used as media for a tiny fraction of this cost, if you can find it locally. The carbon dioxide cost also needs to be figured in, so that might push the total to about $0.40 per thousand meq of alkalinity.
The primary safety concern for these systems involves the carbon dioxide gas cylinder. Any high-pressure gas cylinder can be very dangerous if the cylinder head should become damaged. So be careful to not drop such cylinders least they become rockets.
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Thats a whole lot of information. Thank you. I have a question though. Are these recommended? I plan on being SPS heavy.
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Well, it is a fine way to go, but it is not "better" than other methods, such as using a two part calcium and alkalinity additive system, either a commercial one such as B-ionic, or a DIY. These are also described in the article. 
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I'm using the two part Bi-Ionic now. I just can't seem to get the right dosing down.Well, it is a fine way to go, but it is not "better" than other methods, such as using a two part calcium and alkalinity additive system, either a commercial one such as B-ionic, or a DIY. These are also described in the article.
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What's the problem?
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In general, with a two part you should determine the dose of both parts based on the alkalinity reading. Then if calcium actually gets too high or two low you can make a one time correction as needed.
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Well, for the B-Ionic, it says 1ml per 4 gallons to raise ALK .10. I am having trouble with this for some reason. My ALK is 8-9 and am trying to maintain it. CALC is 360.In general, with a two part you should determine the dose of both parts based on the alkalinity reading. Then if calcium actually gets too high or two low you can make a one time correction as needed.
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Forget the recommendations. Dose the amount needed to maintain your desired specific alkalinity. The alk at 8-9 dKH seems fine to me.
Since calcium is low, you need to make a substantial one time correction, either with the calcum part of the two part, or just calcium chloride.
This calculator shows how much to use for that correction:
http://reef.diesyst.com/chemcalc/chem_calc3.html
Since calcium is low, you need to make a substantial one time correction, either with the calcum part of the two part, or just calcium chloride.
This calculator shows how much to use for that correction:
http://reef.diesyst.com/chemcalc/chem_calc3.html
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Thank you!
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You're welcome.
Happy Reefing.
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Do you think bringing up the calcium up that much that fast will effect anything?
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The calcium itself wouldn't hurt to come up fast, but I usually recommend bringing it up over a few days due to potential impurities in supplements.
