Can anyone identify?

[JJ1796]

I put an angel fish in and it died after a week. It looke ok until the last day. Shortly after that a royal gramma looked a little powdery and died. 2 days after that my starry blenny died. It looked fine and was eating until the day it died. Now my clowns are looking powdery too. The bigger of the 2 looks bad and he stopped eating today and has 2 big spots that look like the skin in being eaten away and 1 eye is cloudy. Also her fins are damaged looking I have a diamond goby, a firefish and 3 chromis that are fine and have nothing wrong with them. Can anyone help me?

 

[4FordFamily]

Wow that is bad. Brook or velvet, I'm leaning velvet but I'm not as familiar with brook I've never seen it in person.

The other fish dropping like flies and the fact that it came in on and angel really makes me suspect velvet. Did the fish swim in to powerheads?

@Humblefish @melypr1985

Either way I would freshwater dip that fish... Make sure temperature is the same.. You'll need a quarantine tank either way. Do you have one set up?

 

[Breakthecycle2]

You need to get all your fish out of your tank and into QT ASAP.

 

[melypr1985]

^^ exactly right. It could be either, but velvet seems most possible here. A freshwater dip is going to give temporary relief, but you'll want to get all the fish out and into QT asap. You might use acryflavin in the dip to cover the brook aspect before putting them in the QT.

Info on Velvet Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)
Info on Brook Brooklynella (clownfish disease)

 

[4FordFamily]

^^ exactly right. It could be either, but velvet seems most possible here. A freshwater dip is going to give temporary relief, but you'll want to get all the fish out and into QT asap. You might use acryflavin in the dip to cover the brook aspect before putting them in the QT.

Info on Velvet Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)
Info on Brook Brooklynella (clownfish disease)

Ok glad it's not just me that has trouble ID'ing between the two in photos. If I could see behavior I would know for sure.

 

[melypr1985]

Ok glad it's not just me that has trouble ID'ing between the two in photos. If I could see behavior I would know for sure.

Nope. Not just you. The problem is because brook can present in several ways. Behavioral symptoms will be the clincher here.

 

[4FordFamily]

The quick falls of the fish and clowns affected last point me to velvet but like you I'm not 100%.

Op, any swimming in to powerheads? Avoiding light? Being cryptic and hiding the last couple days of life? Eating normally?

 

[Humblefish]

Following this protocol exactly will treat velvet, brook and even ich: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/#post-2499437

You'll need to FW dip & chemical bath each & every fish, and then transfer them into a QT. Dose the QT with either copper or CP once they are all in.

 

[Breakthecycle2]

I guess the OP disappeared.

 

[JJ1796]

She was acting funny. She was just hanging out at the surface. Not afraid of the light, just startled when something touched her. Unfortunately she died last night, shortly after a freshly water bath. The other fish didn't have any of these symptoms, they just died. I'm a dummy and don't have a QT tank. I know I should, but the wife doesn't want 2 tanks. Might be able to convince her now. Thanks for all the quick responses. I'm guessing that it's velvet from the consensus.

 

[JJ1796]

Is there anything I can does to a reef tank? How long after the last fish dies can I consider the parasite gone. It says 6 weeks without fish, but also some fish can be carriers, so should I assume the 3 chromis and 2 gobies are carriers? Since they aren't sick can I observe them in the DT? Can I assume after 2 months and no sickness it is safe to start adding fish again?

 

[4FordFamily]

Is there anything I can does to a reef tank? How long after the last fish dies can I consider the parasite gone. It says 6 weeks without fish, but also some fish can be carriers, so should I assume the 3 chromis and 2 gobies are carriers? Since they aren't sick can I observe them in the DT? Can I assume after 2 months and no sickness it is safe to start adding fish again?

Yes they're carriers you need to remove all fish for 76 days. Sorry about your loss, that was very bad so I'm not surprised.

 

[melypr1985]

Is there anything I can does to a reef tank? How long after the last fish dies can I consider the parasite gone. It says 6 weeks without fish, but also some fish can be carriers, so should I assume the 3 chromis and 2 gobies are carriers? Since they aren't sick can I observe them in the DT? Can I assume after 2 months and no sickness it is safe to start adding fish again?

sorry for your loss. The remaining fish - Idealy- should be removed from the tank and treated in QT. The display can then be left fallow for 76 days to starve out any parasites like ick, velvet and flukes. It's long but effective. After that, QT for all new fish, inverts and corals will keep disease out of your display.

 

[armspar]

Definitely looks like velvet and acts like it, killing a fish that fast. Brook rarely effects other fish, mostly towards clownfish, as it is called anemone fish disease. As for treatment, place the fish into a cupramine medicated quarantine tank. If it is velvet the powdery look will go away within days. If it is brook, it will need further treatment with formalin. I would honestly consider a tank teardown, with a efficient kiler like velvet you never want to risk it lingering around for six weeks, just ready t to attack when a new fish is back in.

I have never seen a tank successfully eradicate velvet through just a fallow. There are many different strains, and many different life cycles. Most protozoans like ick and velvet are impossible to eradicate completely, even though they "have a maximum life cycle".

 

[melypr1985]

I have never seen a tank successfully eradicate velvet through just a fallow.

Really? I have many times. I wonder what the difference was.

 

[JJ1796]

Definitely looks like velvet and acts like it, killing a fish that fast. Brook rarely effects other fish, mostly towards clownfish, as it is called anemone fish disease. As for treatment, place the fish into a cupramine medicated quarantine tank. If it is velvet the powdery look will go away within days. If it is brook, it will need further treatment with formalin. I would honestly consider a tank teardown, with a efficient kiler like velvet you never want to risk it lingering around for six weeks, just ready t to attack when a new fish is back in.

I have never seen a tank successfully eradicate velvet through just a fallow. There are many different strains, and many different life cycles. Most protozoans like ick and velvet are impossible to eradicate completely, even though they "have a maximum life cycle".

So going fallow for 2 months won't work? I read that velvet is some what photosynthetic, is this the reason why it doesn't go away completely? A total teardown and start from scratch seems like a guarantee, but extreme considering the coral I have. What do I do with those? Can't sell them. They might have velvet on them. I am in the process of setting up a QT tank now. I will probably try that before I start from scratch. Thanks for the input.

 

[melypr1985]

So going fallow for 2 months won't work? I read that velvet is some what photosynthetic, is this the reason why it doesn't go away completely? A total teardown and start from scratch seems like a guarantee, but extreme considering the coral I have. What do I do with those? Can't sell them. They might have velvet on them. I am in the process of setting up a QT tank now. I will probably try that before I start from scratch. Thanks for the input.

If you concerned about going fallow for only 6 weeks working, then you can do the full 76 days. That will take care of it assuming you don't cross contaminate with your QT at all during that time.

 

[4FordFamily]

Really? I have many times. I wonder what the difference was.

Me too. Always worked for me.