Can Euphyllia recover after partial bailout?

[KonradTO]

Hi all,
My torch coral started to deflate and slowly detach from the skeleton since I added a sump to my system. I suspect was caused by a temp and kh sudden change when I connected the 2 systems (my bad, I wasnt careful enough).
Do you think there are chances for recovery or its doomed?

 

[Nate Chalk]

Mine recovered, it takes a very long time, its not fully recovered and its been 6 months. Go with the flow no pun intended.

 

[KonradTO]

Nice, there's some hope in the end

 

[Nate Chalk]

Nice, there's some hope in the end

Question for you though parameters. What flow. Lighting . Etc.

How old of a tank.

any other corals showing signs

 

[Nate Chalk]

If you check out my build thread key your eye on the purple ny nicks torch. Went from almost dead to now looking great

 

[KonradTO]

Question for you though parameters. What flow. Lighting . Etc.

How old of a tank.

any other corals showing signs

Other parameters are in check aside from phosphate (was around 0.2 last week), which I am trying to bring down using GFO and macros in the fuge. Flow is more than enough (jebao slw20) and light hard to tell.. its a viparspectra 160w and I keep it like 30%blue and 2% white.
I think the problem was some fast changes in parameters..I had a spike in nutrients last month and a consequent GHA crazy invasion. For fixing I did a 3 day blackout, big water change and I plumbed a sump(my tank was a sumpless AIO). Since then everything went downhill: candy cane dead, leptastrea covered by algae, cyphastrea bleached,plate coral shrank in size. The torch first inflated like crazy like a baloon, then started to deflate.
I think I acted too fast and probably temperature and kh in the sump before connecting were different from dt.

 

[RobB'z Reef]

It can, it'll take a hot minute, keep it in a lower flow area to reduce stress on it.

 

[damsels are not mean]

Once I accidentally siphoned half the tentacles off a polyp on a 2 polyp hammer frag and the coral was unhappy for a day but looked back to normal within a few days and was bigger than before in a week. I think so long as the catalyst for the bailout has ended and the tissue stopped sloughing off there is a chance it regrows.

 

[KonradTO]

Incredibly my other hammer/frogspawn coral is doing great, so I guess they are quite hardy compared to torches..

 

[damsels are not mean]

Technically hammers and frogspawn are not really closely related to torches, though some corals sold as "hammers" (E. Baliensis) are not in the same family as true hammers (F. ancora/paraancora) and fall under the torch family. Makes sense that they won't necessarily respond the same way to the same problems.

 

[KonradTO]

Technically hammers and frogspawn are not really closely related to torches, though some corals sold as "hammers" (E. Baliensis) are not in the same family as true hammers (F. ancora/paraancora) and fall under the torch family. Makes sense that they won't necessarily respond the same way to the same problems.

Wow I did not know this, I tought they were all in the same genus at least.
My torch is a short tentacles one, but I should check some pics to find the ID.

 

[damsels are not mean]

Wow I did not know this, I tought they were all in the same genus at least.
My torch is a short tentacles one, but I should check some pics to find the ID.

Torches, hammers, and frogspawn were (and in the trade often still are called) Euphyllia, but a few years ago hammers and frogspawns were reclassified to a completely different genus and family. It kind of makes sense they are seperate because torches are notorious for their aggression to other corals being much worse than that of hammer and frogspawns.

Now hammers are Fimbriaphyllia ancora/paraancora (wall/branching) and frogspawns are Fimbriaphyllia divisa/paradivisa (wall/branching). And the Fimbriaphyllia genus is under the Caryophylliidae family instead of Euphylliidae.

 

[KonradTO]

Torches, hammers, and frogspawn were (and in the trade often still are called) Euphyllia, but a few years ago hammers and frogspawns were reclassified to a completely different genus and family. It kind of makes sense they are seperate because torches are notorious for their aggression to other corals being much worse than that of hammer and frogspawns.

Now hammers are Fimbriaphyllia ancora/paraancora (wall/branching) and frogspawns are Fimbriaphyllia divisa/paradivisa (wall/branching). And the Fimbriaphyllia genus is under the Caryophylliidae family instead of Euphylliidae.

In my case I think is an hybrid between the 2 Fimbriaphylla species..looks like a mix

 

[KonradTO]

Sadly the euphyllia lost completely the head. I think the 3 days blackout for GHA did not help the recovery.

 

[KonradTO]

Bad news. Also the hammer lost all its heads after I set the wavemaker to random mode (I hoped to solve my gha problem by increasing flow a bit). Interestingly 2 heads still survive in the sump despite being detached. They bailed out 2 weeks ago.

 

[Icryhard]

Bad news. Also the hammer lost all its heads after I set the wavemaker to random mode (I hoped to solve my gha problem by increasing flow a bit). Interestingly 2 heads still survive in the sump despite being detached. They bailed out 2 weeks ago.

A year later... any updates?

 

[KonradTO]

A year later... any updates?

Yes unfortunately the heads did slowly die. Interesting that after trying to grow many coral species, the ones I am struggling more with are Euphyllias. I do not have issues with acroporas but I lost almost every Euphyllia I got in 2 years. I do dip them and everything

 

[Icryhard]

Yes unfortunately the heads did slowly die. Interesting that after trying to grow many coral species, the ones I am struggling more with are Euphyllias. I do not have issues with acroporas but I lost almost every Euphyllia I got in 2 years. I do dip them and everything

That's really heartbreaking to hear and honestly I am ******** myself now, since I am also at a half-baillout phase. Did you have multiple heads? If so, did all the heads bail-out due to that one head? Or did one head simply die off? Maybe a far fetched question too, but can we glue the bailed-out coral and hope for it to re-attach, or is it over once it bails?

 

[KonradTO]

That's really heartbreaking to hear and honestly I am ******** myself now, since I am also at a half-baillout phase. Did you have multiple heads? If so, did all the heads bail-out due to that one head? Or did one head simply die off? Maybe a far fetched question too, but can we glue the bailed-out coral and hope for it to re-attach, or is it over once it bails?

Sorry to hear that. As far as I remember from my "panic R2R-thread-scanning" last year, there is really no much you can do by that point. What happened to me was that hammers that had tissue recession, just before polyp bailout, recovered slowly. Now they are looking ugly but are still alive after months and they seem to be stable and re-attaching. I sense that there is at some point a threshold where they cannot re-attach anymore. My noob suggestion would be to keep them in a low flow area so they have a chance to recover without being teared apart by the flow. In my case when I lost one head for some reason I did lose also the others shortly after, but I think this cannot be generalized because it depends what is causing the bailout. If the problem is confined to the single head then should be ok. In my case I think was some pathogen involved after stirring the sandbed.

 

[Narideth]

I have a hammer that went into partial bailout but kept just a little bit attached. I kept it in a safe area with good lighting and just let it keep trucking along in the hopes that a miracle would happen. That was maybe six or more months ago.

Interestingly enough, I found out only about a week ago that it's regrowing a new skeleton inside the middle of the old one like some bizarre layered flower. It's not a quick thing in the least, but it's trying.