Can I add one more tang?

[Tcook]

 

[Max93]

I do like the bellus more - are they SPS safe?

 

[Tcook]

I do like the bellus more - are they SPS safe?

All of the genicanthus are reef safe.

 

[vetteguy53081]

You have a couple of tangs that can be unwelcoming but you can add a tang that will not get big and mean such as clown-sohal-sailfin as an example.
Good adddition would be Tomini- kole- scopas- bristle.
With this numer, assure good water qua;ity management and diet. Many know I have Tangs. . . I have tangs - as of Tuesday will be 20 as I have another arrival.
For diet:
These fish are herbivores and at minimum, you want to feed them:
-Spirulina brine shrimp
- LRS Herbivore diet
- mysis shrimp
- small plankton
- Nori seaweed basted with garlic extract
- Hikari Marine cuisine
- Formula 2 flake and frozen
- Hikari veggie marine

Add selcon vitamins to the foods 2-3X per week and on alternating days, garlic extract for stamina and immunity health

 

[vetteguy53081]

I do like the bellus more - are they SPS safe?

Bellus very reef safe

 

[frizzayyyyreef]

They also need algae in their diet, I prefer to feed my herbivores a mix of live and dry algae as it adds nutrients that may not be found in dry algae.

As for why it’s frowned upon;
When given the correct diet, these fish will grow at a very fast pace. They will quickly outgrow anything less than a 6’ tank in a couple of years (months for the smaller tanks such as 40s). They also stress out easily which is why a small tank can do more harm than good to a large specimen. Your two sound like they’re surviving but not thriving (And there’s a big difference between those two).

As for the rest of your stock, they are all small fish that will fit long term in that tank (aside from the wrasse). The wrasse however will get quite large and active, 5” sounds small but really I wouldn’t put a Halichoeres wrasse in anything less than 4’ of tank after owning several along with other wrasses.

It was supposed to be a coris wrasse lol I got it a inch I swear the lfs said it was but now I’m noticing it getting wayyy bigger and it’s face is starting to look like a banana wrasse I didn’t know how that was possible I guess when they are babies it’s hard telling them difference? And I also feed copepods 1-2 times a week for all my fish they love them

 

[i cant think]

It was supposed to be a coris wrasse lol I got it a inch I swear the lfs said it was but now I’m noticing it getting wayyy bigger and it’s face is starting to look like a banana wrasse I didn’t know how that was possible I guess when they are babies it’s hard telling them difference? And I also feed copepods 1-2 times a week for all my fish they love them

Actually, Halichoeres chrysus is often labelled as a Yellow Coris Wrasse and as juveniles, they are very different to the true Coris species. It’s their common name that confuses many.

 

[i cant think]

Bellus, Watanabe, Japanese swallowtail

@i cant think

I’ll also add Genicanthus melanospilos to this list, it’s kind of the poormans Japanese swallowtail.
If you go for a pair of Genicanthus, make sure to either get an already bonded pair or two females.

The Genicanthus genus is my personal favourite genus to work with and around. They come from much deeper waters, many are from waters that coral doesn’t grow in as it’s too deep for light to reach them. Which is what causes them to be much more reef safe. If you do go for a Genicanthus then I think you’ll prefer them over another tang, they do show a different swimming pattern and instead of that heavy swimming they seem to glide through the water and are much calmer.
Here’s a photo of my Genicanthus melanospilos… male? female? submale?

 

[Tcook]

I’ll also add Genicanthus melanospilos to this list, it’s kind of the poormans Japanese swallowtail.
If you go for a pair of Genicanthus, make sure to either get an already bonded pair or two females.

The Genicanthus genus is my personal favourite genus to work with and around. They come from much deeper waters, many are from waters that coral doesn’t grow in as it’s too deep for light to reach them. Which is what causes them to be much more reef safe. If you do go for a Genicanthus then I think you’ll prefer them over another tang, they do show a different swimming pattern and instead of that heavy swimming they seem to glide through the water and are much calmer.
Here’s a photo of my Genicanthus melanospilos… male? female? submale?

Always good to see that pic

 

[blaxsun]

Hopefully you'll have more luck with adding tangs than I did (the last 2 got eaten by corals and anemones within 48 hours).

 

[i cant think]

Always good to see that pic

It’s an absolutely stunning species, later I’ll update the Angel thread with a more recent photo of mine

 

[Max93]

I’ve been doing some research on the angels, and it just seems too risky. Some claim 100% reef safe, but others have evidence of them wrecking their acros and acans. I don’t know. I’d rather not take that risk.

 

[i cant think]

I’ve been doing some research on the angels, and it just seems too risky. Some claim 100% reef safe, but others have evidence of them wrecking their acros and acans. I don’t know. I’d rather not take that risk.

IMHO, it’s the same risk with tangs as well, I’ve had reef safe tangs and not so reef safe tangs.
If you really want reef safe, look into wrasses.

 

[Max93]

IMHO, it’s the same risk with tangs as well, I’ve had reef safe tangs and not so reef safe tangs.
If you really want reef safe, look into wrasses.

Tangs that eat coral? That’s a new one to me - thankfully I’m in no rush so I’ll keep weighing options. I do love the look of the angels and the different swimming style etc. but with all the information out there it is difficult to make a choice.

 

[i cant think]

Tangs that eat coral? That’s a new one to me - thankfully I’m in no rush so I’ll keep weighing options. I do love the look of the angels and the different swimming style etc. but with all the information out there it is difficult to make a choice.

Totally get you! If you have an idea on the sort of personality/swim pattern, size or colours you want we could try get a list of fish that could fit that list.

 

[Max93]

Totally get you! If you have an idea on the sort of personality/swim pattern, size or colours you want we could try get a list of fish that could fit that list.

thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to help.

I genuinely like tangs because of the algae control - but i can see them being aggressive/becoming aggressive as they age. But the Achilles is my dream fish. Hence, if I’m going to spend $600 on a pair of angels I’d rather spend $600 on an Achilles… but I’ve only seen a bellus angel in person once and I love the fins/colors.

I’m looking for something that will swim throughout the whole tank, at a calmer speed if that exists. For example - my Kole tang darts left to right all day.

I like all the colors - but in terms of what colors I don’t have, black is that color. For example, we really like the Scopas tang but lost both of the ones we tried to quarantine. Now we just buy from TSM.

maybe we could get the Scopas plus the bellus all at once or is that overkill too?
For small fish im pretty much done except I’m adding two more royal grammas.

I do enjoy the schooling my lyretails do from time to time, but it’s less consistent than what I’d expect. I’m done with wrasses as well I have four and they’re aggressive enough (one just jumped out and I don’t think he’s going to make it, so down to 3. I think he suffered an internal injury as I got him back in the water within 45 seconds).

I want to have something that makes it’s presence know but isn’t going to be a jerk to anyone else and is unique. Or a combination thereof. I’m still leaning towards Achilles or a pair of bellus, but I want to make sure that the next fish I add are the final ones, nothing else will be added in here except acropora. I’ve made the investment in kalkwasser all the plumbing/pumps and upgrading to metal halides so it is time to shift my focus after this.

 

[i cant think]

thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to help.

I genuinely like tangs because of the algae control - but i can see them being aggressive/becoming aggressive as they age. But the Achilles is my dream fish. Hence, if I’m going to spend $600 on a pair of angels I’d rather spend $600 on an Achilles… but I’ve only seen a bellus angel in person once and I love the fins/colors.

I’m looking for something that will swim throughout the whole tank, at a calmer speed if that exists. For example - my Kole tang darts left to right all day.

I like all the colors - but in terms of what colors I don’t have, black is that color. For example, we really like the Scopas tang but lost both of the ones we tried to quarantine. Now we just buy from TSM.

maybe we could get the Scopas plus the bellus all at once or is that overkill too?
For small fish im pretty much done except I’m adding two more royal grammas.

I do enjoy the schooling my lyretails do from time to time, but it’s less consistent than what I’d expect. I’m done with wrasses as well I have four and they’re aggressive enough (one just jumped out and I don’t think he’s going to make it, so down to 3. I think he suffered an internal injury as I got him back in the water within 45 seconds).

I want to have something that makes it’s presence know but isn’t going to be a jerk to anyone else and is unique. Or a combination thereof. I’m still leaning towards Achilles or a pair of bellus, but I want to make sure that the next fish I add are the final ones, nothing else will be added in here except acropora. I’ve made the investment in kalkwasser all the plumbing/pumps and upgrading to metal halides so it is time to shift my focus after this.

Achilles will be a hyper swimmer, much more hyper than the Ctenochaetus genus are. They’ll also become much more aggressive as they mature.

I’d personally still go for the Angel but it doesn’t have to be a pair of the same species, it can be two females of different species and then one will be more dominant and become male.

 

[Max93]

I do feel that I need another tang to spread out the more aggressive nature of my convict tang. Just one that he won’t mess with but I guess it can go either way.

 

[frizzayyyyreef]

I do feel that I need another tang to spread out the more aggressive nature of my convict tang. Just one that he won’t mess with but I guess it can go either way.

I have a hippo who was always nasty to other fish then I added a saline tang same size and he backed off now everything’s peaceful he can’t bully him lol so maybe it’ll work for you

 

[i cant think]

I do feel that I need another tang to spread out the more aggressive nature of my convict tang. Just one that he won’t mess with but I guess it can go either way.

Depending on tank size you’re limited with other tangs, I wouldn’t do 3 tangs in a 4’ tank (Or even 5’ tanks). I think 2 tangs is pushing the limits of a 4’ tank if I’m honest.