Can I use two meds at once?

[fishnchip]

Hey guys! I've heard of some people using both Cupramine and Prazipro at the same time. Any thoughts? I have two fish in QT (new fishies) and they have been treated with Cupramine for 2 weeks now. Was thinking of doing a 20% water change and then treating with Prazipro.

Thanks!!

 

[dwest]

Hey guys! I've heard of some people using both Cupramine and Prazipro at the same time. Any thoughts? I have two fish in QT (new fishies) and they have been treated with Cupramine for 2 weeks now. Was thinking of doing a 20% water change and then treating with Prazipro.

Thanks!!

Unless you are moving to a sterile tank, I would keep fish in copper for 30 days.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/my-current-qt-process.483371/

 

[Big G]

Combining copper and Prazipro comes with risk. Copper already suppresses the immune system of the fish. It is after all a poison. Plus the risk increases with Prazipro. Prazipro uses Oxybispropanol as the agent to keep the praziquantel in solution. Oxybispropanol depletes the oxygen supply in the tank water. Can counter act this by using both an airstone and a powerhead aimed up to the surface where it is actively rippling the water, increasing the O2 exchange.

That being said, not a big fan of mixing meds unless absolutely necessary for the health of the fish.

My own preference is to use General Cure. It contains both praziquantel and metro in a powder form and no oxybispropanol. Plus the prazi is at a lower level which is easier on the fish yet gets the job done.

 

[fishnchip]

Combining copper and Prazipro comes with risk. Copper already suppresses the immune system of the fish. It is after all a poison. Plus the risk increases with Prazipro. Prazipro uses Oxybispropanol as the agent to keep the praziquantel in solution. Oxybispropanol depletes the oxygen supply in the tank water. Can counter act this by using both an airstone and a powerhead aimed up to the surface where it is actively rippling the water, increasing the O2 exchange.

That being said, not a big fan of mixing meds unless absolutely necessary for the health of the fish.

My own preference is to use General Cure. It contains both praziquantel and metro in a powder form and no oxybispropanol. Plus the prazi is at a lower level which is easier on the fish yet gets the job done.

I'll do a 100% water change and then continue with the Prazipro then. How long do you QT fish with no signs of disease?

 

[Brew12]

I'll do a 100% water change and then continue with the Prazipro then. How long do you QT fish with no signs of disease?

To give you the best chance of success you need to keep them in copper for 30 days. The other option is at least 8 days at full copper strength and then transfer to a clean system.

If you don't have a clean system available and want to pull the copper before 30 days you can keep the fish in a bucket, sterilize the QT system with bleach, set it back up with a dechlorinator and nitrifying bacteria product, then re-introduce the fish. I've done this with my small 10g QT in under 2 hours. You may not have that option depending on your setup.

 

[fishnchip]

To give you the best chance of success you need to keep them in copper for 30 days. The other option is at least 8 days at full copper strength and then transfer to a clean system.

If you don't have a clean system available and want to pull the copper before 30 days you can keep the fish in a bucket, sterilize the QT system with bleach, set it back up with a dechlorinator and nitrifying bacteria product, then re-introduce the fish. I've done this with my small 10g QT in under 2 hours. You may not have that option depending on your setup.

Yes I am using a 10 gallon tank as my QT as well. Can I add the fish as soon as I put the bacteria product in?

 

[Big G]

How long do you QT fish with no signs of disease?

Copper for 30 days. Remove copper and observe for 7-10 days. Sometimes a second round of copper is needed. Then treat with General Cure. One dose, wait 5-7 days. 25% water change and redose GC. Wait 5-7 days. 25% water change. Observe for 7-10 days. Again, sometimes a second round of GC is necessary. And it gives the fish time to recoup from the meds before being introduced into the DT where it will have to compete with strong, healthy fish. Do what's the best and kindest possible so your fish can have a happy, healthy, long life in your DT.

 

[Brew12]

Yes I am using a 10 gallon tank as my QT as well. Can I add the fish as soon as I put the bacteria product in?

As long as you have it properly rinsed and dechlorinated, yet. And remember, everything needs to be well bleached. You will likely need a new sponge for your filter. I will drain my tank, throw away the filter media (sponge) refill it with tap water, add several cups of bleach and then let it run for around 30 minutes. I'll normally put my net and other tools in there just to be on the safe side. I then drain the tank, rinse it out very well, refill it with heated salt water, add dechlorinator, add Biospira, and then add the fish.

 

[fishnchip]

As long as you have it properly rinsed and dechlorinated, yet. And remember, everything needs to be well bleached. You will likely need a new sponge for your filter. I will drain my tank, throw away the filter media (sponge) refill it with tap water, add several cups of bleach and then let it run for around 30 minutes. I'll normally put my net and other tools in there just to be on the safe side. I then drain the tank, rinse it out very well, refill it with heated salt water, add dechlorinator, add Biospira, and then add the fish.

After the 30 days I will do this! Thank you so much!!

 

[Brew12]

After the 30 days I will do this! Thank you so much!!

If you do the full 30 days in copper you can just remove the copper via water changes without sterilizing the tank. you only need to sterilize it if you need to pull them from the copper early.

 

[Brew12]

After the 30 days I will do this! Thank you so much!!

Copper only quickly kills free swimming parasites. The parasites leave the fish and encyst on a hard surface. After 30 days most of these parasites have hatched and been killed. The ones that haven't should be killed by the long term exposure.
If you pull copper prior to 30 days, these encysted parasites may hatch and re-infect the fish. This is why you should transfer them to a clean tank, or sterilize the current tank, if you have to stop copper treatment early.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[fishnchip]

Copper only quickly kills free swimming parasites. The parasites leave the fish and encyst on a hard surface. After 30 days most of these parasites have hatched and been killed. The ones that haven't should be killed by the long term exposure.
If you pull copper prior to 30 days, these encysted parasites may hatch and re-infect the fish. This is why you should transfer them to a clean tank, or sterilize the current tank, if you have to stop copper treatment early.

Hope that makes sense.

Yes that makes perfect sense! They will stay in there the full month appreciate this a lot. thank you!