Can someone explain WWC/Jason Fox corals?

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WWC is a chop shop.
Glad you mentioned that, can’t find the corals I bought from them 2 years ago on there site. I’m ok with chop shops as long as I know that’s what’s up. I’ve had some of my lfs chop off a frag off a wild colony and they turn out great, but they certainly don’t come with a serious price tag like a long nurtured special frag costs. 15 bucks for a freshly chopped wild coral is a great price and let’s not mention the size of the chopped frag, usually 3 plus inches and multiple branches.
 
All of these vendors are getting their corals from the same place...the ocean. They put them in their tanks, wait for them to color up, then they name them. Some of the pieces they find are fairly unique, but ultimately, everyone has the same stuff, just looks different when placed under different conditions.


Bingo. Most vendors/shops were getting them from the same areas, same farms, same stuff...
 
Bingo. Most vendors/shops were getting them from the same areas, same farms, same stuff...

This is why I just buy wild corals these days. Especially with Aussie being about it for options, there is nothing really different about anyone’s new corals they are selling.
I also find that as long as the coral is healthy, the time that it’s been in an aquarium environment doesn’t really matter, at least to me. I have never really bought the whole idea that a coral from an aquarium is hardier than a truely healthy wild coral.
 
This is why I just buy wild corals these days. Especially with Aussie being about it for options, there is nothing really different about anyone’s new corals they are selling.
I also find that as long as the coral is healthy, the time that it’s been in an aquarium environment doesn’t really matter, at least to me. I have never really bought the whole idea that a coral from an aquarium is hardier than a truely healthy wild coral.

I really miss going into my local shop like AquaSD and being able to buy colonies, MC pieces for super cheap... sigh...
 
Yeah. I’ve seen some coral sellers on here too, selling WWC, JF and others. But I don’t care what they’re called. I buy what I like. And I only buy WYSIWYG.
I am total newbie and I was looking on ebay, and someone selling jason fox or claiming at good prices so I google jason fox and noticed that was maryland and ebay said Georgia, so I got totally confused. I have been learning and researching corals for 2 weeks, pretty much non stop in my free time putting in at least 8 hours a day! No kidding but one thing I can say is I learn something new every day!
 
I am total newbie and I was looking on ebay, and someone selling jason fox or claiming at good prices so I google jason fox and noticed that was maryland and ebay said Georgia, so I got totally confused. I have been learning and researching corals for 2 weeks, pretty much non stop in my free time putting in at least 8 hours a day! No kidding but one thing I can say is I learn something new every day!
Many coral sellers sell each other lineages which is always odd to me. WWC will sell Jason Fox for example. I guess I could buy a JF coral, frag it and sell it as such.
 
I always see WWC (worldwide corals) and Jason Fox corals with their name as a signature coral. Like Jason Fox B33 bomber for example. Do they modify them in some way that it is unique only to them? I don’t see how an Acro from the wild can be changed into anything different. But then again I don’t know, which is why I’m asking. Chalices can be grafted and made into something unique, so I can understand this.
Very simple you have Jordache jeans and Levi's. That's probably before your time but Google it you'll understand . Jordache jeans were always expensive jeans for women and men. And Levi's was For the Working Man, Woman or they.

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Very simple you have Jordache jeans and Levi's. That's probably before your time but Google it you know what I mean. Jordache jeans were always expensive jeans for women and men. And Levi's was For the Working Man Woman or them.

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I’m 40 years old and didn’t even know that
 
JF is my #1 online seller. Why? Because I Known I will receive an encrusted, healthy coral. The corals I receive do achieve the same color as the photos although after a time. Seems all east coast suppliers take longer to acclimate than local suppliers.

I wanted to add WWC to my list but the frags they brought to the local sell events were small, (really small) not encrusted, and 2x the price. Not impressed with what they brought but will keep looking at them should they change.

As far as name, it only helps to determine light levels unless you are buying from the original seller.
 
Many coral sellers sell each other lineages which is always odd to me. WWC will sell Jason Fox for example. I guess I could buy a JF coral, frag it and sell it as such.
And you should!

it’s probably because they only sell nice pieces from other vendors and the ones they sell, sell themselves. Take for example HW, what good would it do if ASD or WWC renamed it to “Pink Lipped Escort” and tried to sling it for $450 instead of the current $250+? Everyone would be like “man that looks like HW and I can get it for $250”.

some vendors do do that and well, there’ll always be someone who buys it. Don’t be that guy.
 
It's a completely arbitrary system that is really silly when you look at it from the outside. All of these vendors are getting their corals from the same place...the ocean. They put them in their tanks, wait for them to color up, then they name them. Some of the pieces they find are fairly unique, but ultimately, everyone has the same stuff, just looks different when placed under different conditions. Jason Fox has found some unique stuff (his fox flame for instance) and as such, the coral gets named for it. but, there's nothing stopping anyone else from importing that same coral and calling it something else. It's just a matter of finding the right supplier or in Jason's case, going over to Indonesia and finding it yourself.
Something to keep in mind...there's a difference between vendors. Some are truly doing aquaculture, meaning they have a limited number of corals they keep, they grow them into colonies and they use them to supply frags to people for many years. Battle Corals is a great example of this. Others are just chop shops. They just quickly acquire wild colonies, color them up, name them, then sell them all before moving on to the next. WWC is a chop shop. They have no way to keep up with the high volume they sell otherwise. That explains why they seem to never have the same corals for sale and are always coming up with new names. They do have some pieces they've held on to for years that they sell over and over (budgie smuggler for instance) from their displays, but the vast majority of their business comes from the wild corals they quickly chop up and sell.

Adore @Battlecorals
 
I prefer vendors that stand behind what they sell. No photo shop, no catchy names and a vendor who goes to great lengths to get it to you. Fish of Hex is my goto guy. Travis is awesome and his prices are awesome as well.
 
i think a lot of coral vendors are similar, tbh where i buy from comes down to ease of their site, positive reviews and end cost after shipping. If i am only buying 1 or 2 frags i only shop where its $20 to ship to me. If i am buying enough to get free shipping comes down to who will give me the most bang for my buck, with healthy corals. I also do not care about names or the latest frag. I want predictable sticks that will look similar in various tanks. Not one that looks pink and yellow in your light and green under mine. Some people have different wants and those high end frags meet their’s.
 
I live in Asia so I can’t order these corals. But we do have some nice stuff out here.
You actually might be in a better position than the US. Many times vendors get unknown colonies with their “good” colonies as filler. They sell these for cheap. But if you’re willing to put in the effort you might find these crap pieces turn into really nice colonies. In Asia I can imagine they are more plentiful but then again, I’m sure they probably neglect the locals for the bigger US market.
 
You actually might be in a better position than the US. Many times vendors get unknown colonies with their “good” colonies as filler. They sell these for cheap. But if you’re willing to put in the effort you might find these crap pieces turn into really nice colonies. In Asia I can imagine they are more plentiful but then again, I’m sure they probably neglect the locals for the bigger US market.
Corals are relatively cheap here. But the problem is, most are freshly harvested from the sea. It’s hard to tell how they are handled before you get them. Sometimes we buy based on pics right after harvest. So after you buy a piece, it has a lesser chance of surviving. Aquacultured pieces are much hardier IME.
 
I have always wondered how often Jason actually goes diving for these new pieces. Everyone hypes him saying he collects his own corals but didn’t he just go one time to collect stuff? I don’t think it would be economical for him to go out and collect stuff himself every time. I would guess the large majority of his corals came from shipments or other reefers. I also don’t believe he went diving and brought back brown corals. He says everything looks brown when diving but that’s not really how it is. Yea less color but the corals are not all brown. He knows what he is looking for and he wouldn’t go out there just to fish through brown wilds himself.
 

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