Can someone pls id this acro??????

[GnarleyMarley]

This is a pic of a frag I cut off a colony I have. I had the colony in low light and it looked kinda drab, so I cut a couple frags and moved them to different elevations in the tank and boom! I found its place mid level.

Anyway here is the pic, I don't have any liniage, I got my original frag about 2 yrs ago and have no clue what it's called, but it looks awesome to me

 

[GnarleyMarley]

Nvr mind found it on a local forum, I'm about 99% sure it's a miyagi tort. Thanks anyway guys

 

[bct15]

If you have no lineage then it is not myagi tort, secondly that frag doesn't look like a acropora tortuosa but is way to small to tell. Can you post a pic of your mother colony? You are never going to get a solid ID from that small of a piece.

 

[Tahoe61]

Actually it kind of looks like a Tortousa to me, or an Enchinata. Love the colors.

 

[bct15]

Actually it kind of looks like a Tortousa to me, or an Enchinata. Love the colors.

It looks a little bit like some a tortuosa I have seen by colors only, but the coralites aren't round enough at the ends and does not look like myagi tort and does not have lineage either. If I bought a frag of this as myagi tort and got that, I would be beyond mad.

 

[Chameleon]

looks like it could be a tort to me...and just because there is not lineage does not mean its not a miyagi tort, it just means you cant be sure and therefore shouldn't represent it as that if selling. people can loose or forget or never know where they got coral from all the time but that doesn't make their coral not the coral it started out as; it just means they shouldn't represent it as something they dont know for sure it is.

 

[GnarleyMarley]

Ok guys, not trying to sell it, just trying to get an I'd, it has the funniest growth pattern. The color is insanely nuclear green then the branches are a light purple, but it grows all funky lol hard to explain so here's a pic of the little moma (keep in mind the color looks like carp in this pic I just added a new rock in the tank to get it somewhere with proper lighting)

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[GnarleyMarley]

Also I know it had a name when I bought it, I just can't remember who I got it from or what it was called. So it may have come from anywhere, or anyone. Like I said I've had it a while, just never had any reason to remember the name. But now that it's coloring up, I wish I could lol

 

[bct15]

Well myagi tort is a rather über rare collector piece, and doesn't have normal tort coloring. It is more goldish base, with blue and purple branches with occasional yellow tips. If you are not sure if it is myagi tort don't call it that, somebody said lineage isn't required to define a named coral, but that is how a named coral is defined. I can easily call any coral in my tank reefraft jaw dropper, redbull, etc, but if it isn't from reefraft or lineaged to them then that would upset somebody if I sold them a piece. Do not misrepresent your coral or reputation by just slapping named coral pieces in your stuff, of you're not sure then don't do it.

 

[Tahoe61]

Well myagi tort is a rather über rare collector piece, and doesn't have normal tort coloring. It is more goldish base, with blue and purple branches with occasional yellow tips. If you are not sure if it is myagi tort don't call it that, somebody said lineage isn't required to define a named coral, but that is how a named coral is defined. I can easily call any coral in my tank reefraft jaw dropper, redbull, etc, but if it isn't from reefraft or lineaged to them then that would upset somebody if I sold them a piece. Do not misrepresent your coral or reputation by just slapping named coral pieces in your stuff, of you're not sure then don't do it.

Boy your taking this way way too seriously. He is not maliciously misrepresenting his coral or reputation. You act like you have some skin in this game? It's his coral, he bought it, and he can call it what ever in the world he likes, or be innocently mistaken so what. :croc:

 

[bct15]

Boy your taking this way way too seriously. He is not maliciously misrepresenting his coral or reputation. You act like you have some skin in this game? It's his coral, he bought it, and he can call it what ever in the world he likes, or be innocently mistaken so what. :croc:

In my opinion something should not be called something it isn't. I can easily buy a wild or mariculture piece that looks similar to a name piece for my own enjoyment, but if I call it that named piece for trading or selling purposes then I am ripping someone off. This is how so many mislabeled corals end up on the market, it is super prevelant on the Zoa world and it would be ashamed seeing it happen in the acro world to. There are already tons of "fake" red dragons going around from people getting maricultured corals that look similar and calling it red dragon and selling frags at premiums. I don't have any skin in the game, but to tell somebody it's ok to call something it isn't...tisk tisk. I've been looking at acquiring a frag of myagi tort and I'd be ashamed to get a piece that isn't it, even if it is an innocent mistake. When I personally want a named acro, I'm looking for a piece off that specific colony with known requirements and established color in captivity. Not a wild piece that might change entirely or something someone else has that looks similar, and in this case it doesn't. Maybe I should start telling people my Australian shepard is a pit bull?

I recently met a guy who thought he has te reef exotic rainbow, and thought it wasn't very rainbowish. Come to find out his colony he has had or years and sold frags of was a pink lemonade the guy originally sold him got confused about (another hobbyist). So now several people have a pink lemonade frag they payed more for thinking it was something else. Innocent mistake but people still didn't get what they thought they were getting, if your not sure then don't call it something.

 

[Tahoe61]

You're expecting too much in reality. It's a buyer beware world out there. In a perfect world everyone should have so much integrity but that is not the way it is. Personally I think you blew an innocent mistake way out of portion, but I am not the op. What matters to me is that someone can post an innocent inquiry without getting accused of misrepresentation and malice deeds. The hobbyist is more important then some coral's lineage, but that is just me, and again I am not the original poster so take it for what it's worth.

 

[GnarleyMarley]

Like I said I'm not selling it just trying to figure out what it is. The growth pattern is what got me curious at first but the color change made me want to know bad enough to post.

I know where u are coming from with the misrepresentation deal. I have several pieces with true lineage from jf, tyree, rr, pro corals, etc.... and if I don't have lineage I would never sell it as such which is why I said right off the bat I have no liniage. Just trying to get an idea of what it is, not trying to turn this into a debate.

All I know is that it looks a lot like this http://www.garretts-acropolis.com/Enlarged_picture_pages/acropora_miyagi_Tort.htm so if someone wants to know what it is I can say it's a miyagi lookalike and I personally would have no qualms with that, whether I was selling the piece or buying it. I am not saying it's a miyagi, it can't b without any liniage but it does look similar. That's all I wanted to know.

I have all the info I was asking for, thank you all for your help. Mods please close

 

[bct15]

You're expecting too much in reality. It's a buyer beware world out there. In a perfect world everyone should have so much integrity but that is not the way it is. Personally I think you blew an innocent mistake way out of portion, but I am not the op. What matters to me is that someone can post an innocent inquiry without getting accused of misrepresentation and malice deeds. The hobbyist is more important then some coral's lineage, but that is just me, and again I am not the original poster so take it for what it's worth.

Where did I accuse the op of anything malicious? All I told the op was that it isn't a myagi tort. all other statements were directed as responses to other people saying call it myagi tort if he wants to.

 

[bct15]

All I know is that it looks a lot like this http://www.garretts-acropolis.com/Enlarged_picture_pages/acropora_miyagi_Tort.htm so if someone wants to know what it is I can say it's a miyagi lookalike and I personally would have no qualms with that, whether I was selling the piece or buying it. I am not saying it's a miyagi, it can't b without any liniage but it does look similar.

I have all the info I was asking for, thank you all for your help. Mods please close

This is what I have been saying, if you think it looks similar.

And I reccomend you leave this open, there are more knowledgable people that will eventually chime in on this.

 

[Mike J.]

Wow, did we have a bad day? Previously said, it's "buyer beware." When I answer an identification question I answer with the species name, not the retail name.

 

[Chameleon]

i'm not trying to argue here I just still want to say just because lineage is lost doesn't mean a coral looses its identity. granted it shouldn't be represented as such unless lineage is known but that is like saying if i forget my ground starbucks coffee is from starbucks because i put it into another container its not starbucks coffee anymore. I did say that unless know it shouldn't be represented as a true Miyagi tort, but the fact remains it still could actually be a miyagi tort. i think we are saying the same thing in regard to how to represent the coral bct15. If I were OP I would call it a aquacultured Miyagi lookalike. In reality that is what matters, having a coral that has proven to hold nice colors in captivity and be hardy.

 

[Frick]

I am with bct15 on this one. Yeah you can call it what ever you want, call this one Red Planet if you want. If you really want a show name for it start your own, and if it does well and other seek to buy it from you you would have started your own lineage. Defer to my signature. If that doesn't make any logical sense about how a coral should be named, then my guess for your coral ID would be Purple People Eater Zoanthids. LOL kidding. But really there are about a dozen species of Acropora that coral could be. The only information we see on that are a few corallites. If it grows into a Acropora cerealis or Acropora loripes, will you still call it is a Miyagi Tort? Miyagi Tort is an Acropora austera species BTW.

I agree with Chameleon that "In reality that is what matters, having a coral that has proven to hold nice colors in captivity and be hardy." And that is what lineage is. If you have a coral with lineage you know that it has the same each genetics as any other with that name. Therefor the care and husbandry will be the same and you can ask and talk to others that have had success with it. Thinking a coral is one thing when it probably is not could lead to improper care threw misinformation. The only reason I feel this way about coral names is because they are live animals that could be extinct in our life time. I feel it is our responsibility to treat their propagation and identification with great care. I am okay if you do not agree with me.

 

[Tahoe61]

If the intent of the thread would have been to sell or propagate the the coral then yes I see where correct linage or claim to should be respected. My interpetation was that this was an attempt to ID the Acropora, not an attempt to misrepresent the piece.

Frick is the name Miyagi Tort then a misrepresentation of the coral if it's indeed an Acropora austera rather than a tortuosa? Or does the title Tort mean something different to individual that gave the piece that title?

 

[Frick]

If the intent of the thread would have been to sell or propagate the the coral then yes I see where correct linage or claim to should be respected. My interpetation was that this was an attempt to ID the Acropora, not an attempt to misrepresent the piece.

Frick is the name Miyagi Tort then a misrepresentation of the coral if it's indeed an Acropora austera rather than a tortuosa? Or does the title Tort mean something different to individual that gave the piece that title?

I realize you are not going to sell it with that name. I wanted you to make sure that you know if you call a one thing that you shouldn't try to take care of it thinking its needs the same care requirements as Miyagi Tort.

The Miyagi Tort is a Acropora austera that was grown out into a colony and the original person that IDed it thought it was a Acropora tortuosa. But since the name has stuck that exact coral that has been fragged from that colony has been known as Miyagi Tort. The same thing happened with Hawkins Echinata from ORA. That is actually Acropora turaki. But that coral with that lineage holds the Hawkins Echinata name still. So you see even the show names don't have to make sense. But the lineage should for various reasons. I see no reason to put another show name on a coral it doesn't belong to other than try to make a frag one is selling appear to be more valuable.