Canadian wild colonies

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There seems to be a trend from many directions to introduce wild colonies in ways that I don't remember. Marketing of acropora seems to be undergoing a shift in practice and style. At one time, it seems that there was a distinction between tank raised, aquacultured, mariculture and wild.

So of course, all of our coral originate in the ocean. And none of us manufacture or create these beautiful coral. They live in our oceans although some hide in remote, out of the way places in the world's oceans. All of us understand these truths to be self evident.

I am certainly no Webster's Dictionary nor the best historian but my best recollection :

"tank raised" simply means that a wild colony removed from the ocean, survived travels, fragging and all kinds of other travails to end up in lots of tanks and somehow miraculously maintaining its coloring and survivalibilty (not sure that is a real word) reasonably consistently. Tank raised corals are generally have survived multiple generations in many reef tanks--surviving the test of time.

"Aquacultured", I believe means the same as tank raised. The idea is that these corals have been challenged by life in reef tanks and have the adaptability to survive and prosper reasonably well

"Maricultured" colonies are colonies that are grown typically in protected lagoons or close to shore in shallow waters commercially and then harvested for the aquarium trade. They live in the ocean, fragged and regrown and then sent to market. They have not been tested under "aquarium conditions". Many reefers' experiences are that these corals may not thrive predictably in reef tanks due to the difference in parameters (food, lighting, flow, nutrients, on and on) between ocean vs tank conditions. In other words, they often change color when moving into our tanks, typically browning out initially and sometimes redeveloping color (sometimes different coloring) or never ever coloring up again. These colonies also seem to have less survivability. A lot of them croak in a short time in tanks.


"Wild" colonies are colonies harvested right off the reef at whatever depth. It is kind of like mining. You find a productive area and you collect what looks promising (keeping within the law of the country of origin) and then sent to wholesalers or retailers. These colonies are challenged similarly to mariculture colonies when placed in a reef tank as well.

So to summarize, all coral start out wild, all coral come from the ocean and some coral simply don't survive the transition to a reef tank ( or if they do survive, not as pretty or colorful as when first plucked out of the ocean).

As hobbyists, I believe we all have similar goals: colorful, bright, "happy" coral that are sustainable from my tank to your tank and vice versa. And most of us are hopeful of success in our reef keeping. It seems obvious that tank raised (aquacultured) coral are the most predictable and reliable coral we can purchase, i.e.. maintain original colors and survive long term.

So what is this post about? Well, many reefers have shied away from maricultured or wild colonies because of their unpredictable success and survivability. So why if it has a Canadian association do we seemingly throw caution to the winds. I really am befuddled. I want the brightest, most colorful corals as well, but I don't want to lose/kill a bunch of coral in that effort. Am I missing something in understanding the incredible interest in these new wild colonies?

Oh, one more really important thing. I don't want to bash specifically any business (although with the initial reference maybe I am). Any business is challenging. I can't even imagine being in the coral business. I have no complaints with wholesalers, exporters, importers, retailers, trans-shippers or whatever.

I am questioning the hype and excitement about "untried" coral. Many of us (maybe just me), have chased down specific coral because of their beauty and rarity. These two properties, beauty and rarity, can be confused and for some mean the same thing. And for a time, "Limited Edition", meant a really awesome coral that was tank raised. Or at least that is how I viewed that description. It seems currently that "Branding", i.e.. Canadian, LE or whatever means really cool coral, at least today it's really cool. Not sure what will happen with the coral's color or survivability down the road. So why do we, reefers, buy into that. When I finally track down the beauty that interests me, I really want the coral to have a reasonable level of predictability in both color and survival. Why buy a mercedes that may transform into a pile of junk in a short time. And yes I also understand the excitement of buying a lotto ticket with the chance of winning it big.

Lastly, I still like looking at mother colonies. If there are no mother colonies, what does that mean about the coral's survivability and color stability? And, I am still impressed with those that talk about their coral maintaining color over years, that means something very positive for me.

I am now rambling and losing my train of thought. Hopefully, some of you will share your thoughts (preferably without bashing anyone, me included)
 
1.) Reef Raft created a lot of hype surrounding some colored up wild colonies. That hype machine grew as the corals made their way to the US and prices got even higher. Very nice corals, though the photos are often rather generous. I've seen many of these corals in person multiple times and own some of them.

2.) People have a natural tendency to want what they can't have or is difficult to obtain. There's nothing truly different about the corals they get in canada compared to those in the US. People just think there is some magical difference.

3.) This is nothing new in the hobby, it's been going on ever since Tyree placed his name on some corals. The main difference now is that they're more recently hacked up wild colonies, and the software to make bogus photos of them is better.

4.) The market will eventually stabilize and sort itself out. Then the hype machine within the hobby will move on to something new before too long.
 
Great write up. You bring up a lot of thoughts and ideas that I think a lot of people need to at least have in the back of their mind when they start coveting the new flavor of the week coral.

1) Will this survive in an aquarium setting
2) Is it going to look the same as the hyped pictures after a few months
 
Mark, very well said. I believe you are someone who truly can write on this. You have a beautiful mature tank, loaded with mother colonies and your aquacultured pieces are exactly as the colonies they are cut from.
 
IT all sounds good up to the point of realizing the only way we got these proven acros was by yanking them out of the wild a long time ago. Some will pan out and some won't. We could just call it good and everybody end up with the exact same acros? I personally don't mind rolling the dice every now and then on something I like. I love walking by my tank and having one of those sticks almost rip my eyes from my head. Maybe I could get some counseling and just fill er up with green slimmer!
 
Good topic. I recently obtained my CITES permits and US FWS docs. I pursued these measures because it seemed prevalent that in a relatively small geography I can hit three or more frag shops, some basement and other larger more known shops and specimen availability is very good there as is price point. I also have a relatively new setup so the opportunity to grab 30 to 60 pieces is conceivable. It takes a disciplined eye and mindset to see through the pics online. So much of these forums and the frag business is about pictures. And let's face it a beautiful macro shot under VHO lighting and some Serious Photo Shopping and its hard not to click add to cart. Put a catchy name to it and viola, the market drives price. So I wanted to comment here and I'm not a frequent poster because (a) my CAN import setup and reAsons for it and (b) agreement with you about a sellers obligation to provide disclosure on the frags culture, on the sellers system parameters and in some truths about photo editing.

If every piece were aquacultured from this point on then I agree we would emerge with hardy consistent pieces. Yet the market calls for the importation of mari and wild pieces to sustain the thirst for the new model, LE, crazy prices all to ultimately and naturally come down in price, becoming more widely available if they prove to be tank sustainable. So kudos to the guys willing to try, empower the guys that are willing to pay, encourage the sellers to market as they see fit with applying purchasing pressure to gain full disclosure, all while educating the hobbyist community to seek the truth and the free market will find its path to prosperity.
 
Completely 100% agree. Nice write up! It's primarily why I stick to the tried and true aqua-cultured classics. Until these new acros survive a few generations or years of fragging, you never know what they will turn out like. They do look awesome and tempting to get that wild/maricultured beautifully colored piece, but will hold off until the hype dies or until I see someone grow it out from frag to full sizes colonies. I find it laughable what some are calling colonies and it's barely encrusted in the frag plug.
 
Yet the market calls for the importation of mari and wild pieces to sustain the thirst for the new model, LE, crazy prices all to ultimately and naturally come down in price, becoming more widely available if they prove to be tank sustainable. So kudos to the guys willing to try, empower the guys that are willing to pay, encourage the sellers to market as they see fit with applying purchasing pressure to gain full disclosure, all while educating the hobbyist community to seek the truth and the free market will find its path to prosperity.

The cool part about musing online is that others who have different perspectives share. A kind of point/counterpoint. Your thoughts and points are not only well written but also well taken and very valid
 
I love all the hype generated around beautiful corals. It keeps the SPS game exciting. It's like a kid wanting a new toy :) With that said, here is my gripe :/

Many of these photos are photoshopped, I think this is obvious for most of us. At very best, the colony came in looking beautiful but is now a turd. Frags are being sold off the original "fresh wild" pic even though the coral no longer looks anything like the original pic. For a frag that is several hundred dollars, heck, maybe pushing $1k, that is thievery IMO. Those that pay this kind of $$ for a coral with questionable lineage, empower this type of marketing. I am not suggesting not to purchase super expensive frags, but at least get a WYSIWYG pic before shipping.

As for Tyree, he is in a class by himself. The man was way ahead of the times in this hobby. He has countless proven gems thriving in many of our reefs. I don't classify him with the uber chop shops, although I'm sure he did a little chop shopping with emerging duplicate wild colonies ;)
 
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The cool part about musing online is that others who have different perspectives share. A kind of point/counterpoint. Your thoughts and points are not only well written but also well taken and very valid

Thank you, and I appreciate your bringing this topic to bare in this forum vs. say a political forum. Albeit a political topic, there is no doubt that the practices we are discussing are centered on SPS. I believe this is the case for a couple reasons. While I do not have empirical/statistical data validation, I am willing to suggest, at the risk of perhaps offending, that the SPS Market demographic is a mix of older/more experienced reefers, and younger experimental types. Secondly, the sensitivity of acropora puts them on a level of rarity and challenge of sustainability that limits supply of 'new' pieces. Top this off with the only risk of the seller is a 2 day DOA policy with the ability to completely re-allocate this risk to the consumer by stating "I can't control your tank parameters, you must have killed it". This mix is ripe for driving the perception of rare/high end/collector type moniker to the product. Perhaps without knowing it, these shops, are savvy in these tactics. For the hype they put out there simply by way of acquiring the piece (not necessarily easy) and effectively marketing it, their message of 'hype' is further amplified by their audience. The older/experienced reefers thinking to themselves, 'man that would be a prime addition to my reef, perhaps I'll wait observe others purchasing and see how they shake out', low and behold the 'rareness' of the pieces instill this demographic to not wait, to buy now. The younger and willing are primed to jump on the slogan, and the gotta have consumer behavior grabs them. Then, forums and the like talk about it and that savvy and some call deceptive shop's practice is only amplified. While I have more experience in economics and business than reefing and clearly i subscribe to my own manner of disciplined thinking, it goes without saying that the temptation strikes me too.

I'll add this: In my experience, as I compare the import/export red-tape in Canada vs. USA; the regulation in the US (Fish and Wildlife) is far more protective and regulatory in their approach. Meanwhile, neither nation from what I have seen, have an ability to truly investigate the pieces at the border nor halt the collection practices of the divers/importers so the practice will continue. And there is absolutely no consumer protection groups to stand behind young man reefer when he buys the latest "Psychadelic Wow Wow" Acropora that looks like a picture of Timothy Leary's rainbow room online and two months later turns into a bad trip in his tank at home (or shakes out to be the same Red Planet we're all familiar with).
 

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