Cant get high nitrates down

To clarify.. the white areas between the color bars are there as you’re supposed to hold the vile in front of the card in that white space to determine the color. I find a 45* tilt to the card and vile five best results wo being effected by lighting kelvin colors long as the light is from overhead.
Similar to how others there you place it in a circle at various places directly on the card to read. Only this one you just lay it down in the black area

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Like that..

Closet thing to me wo putting in effort as I just turned out the lights on my pred tank lol
 
This method works! I’ve used it successfully many times.

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Even still you’ll have a hard time telling most of those oranges and reds apart..
 
Also if you really wanna lower the nitrates easily. Do what i did.. Make yourself or buy a canister or reactor like container. Make sure it can hold 2 or 3 liters of seachem denitrate.. Hook this up to a slow pump. I have mine hooked up to a Eheim 350 surface skimmer ( no skimmer attached i just use the pump) that runs at 80gph according to the sticker. But testing the water in a 1 gallon jug with a stop watch it flows at 26gph (be ause it has to pump through a canister and all that denitrate) seachem recomend denitrate flow to be at 20 to 50gph.

When i had this hooked up to my 55g hexagon. My nitrates were 0-5ppm. I have it hooked up to my 135g tank and my nitrates are always around 10ppm. I actually didnt di water changes for 3 months.. lol which was a mistake i let my nagbesium get too low and it killed an acropora.. sigh . But yea.

And my 135g i have a blond naso. Sailfin, coral beauty, tomini tang, yellow tang, 3 damsels, 2 clowns, 2 sunset dottybacks, foxface rabbitfish. And these arent babies mind you they are all adults or a good 6inch+.

I feed em 3x a day with a big pinch of flakes and a chunk or two of nori. If i cut back feedings to 1x a day my nitrates will go to 5ppm and phosphates are reading 0.

I have no sump no refugium.. no skimmer...

Here isa pic of my little homemade canister setup. There are two of em here. Simple and works
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There is a video of this method on their website
 
Exactly! Why make something simple complicated...
 
Also if you really wanna lower the nitrates easily. Do what i did.. Make yourself or buy a canister or reactor like container. Make sure it can hold 2 or 3 liters of seachem denitrate.. Hook this up to a slow pump. I have mine hooked up to a Eheim 350 surface skimmer ( no skimmer attached i just use the pump) that runs at 80gph according to the sticker. But testing the water in a 1 gallon jug with a stop watch it flows at 26gph (be ause it has to pump through a canister and all that denitrate) seachem recomend denitrate flow to be at 20 to 50gph.

When i had this hooked up to my 55g hexagon. My nitrates were 0-5ppm. I have it hooked up to my 135g tank and my nitrates are always around 10ppm. I actually didnt di water changes for 3 months.. lol which was a mistake i let my nagbesium get too low and it killed an acropora.. sigh . But yea.

And my 135g i have a blond naso. Sailfin, coral beauty, tomini tang, yellow tang, 3 damsels, 2 clowns, 2 sunset dottybacks, foxface rabbitfish. And these arent babies mind you they are all adults or a good 6inch+.

I feed em 3x a day with a big pinch of flakes and a chunk or two of nori. If i cut back feedings to 1x a day my nitrates will go to 5ppm and phosphates are reading 0.

I have no sump no refugium.. no skimmer...

Here isa pic of my little homemade canister setup. There are two of em here. Simple and works
20190816_221109.jpg
That smith river rock lea gravel isn’t reducing nitrates it way too dense to allow for reduced o2 areas within the rock.
 
Update: ran another 20% for kicks and giggles. It does look like it changed the first photo is the original test and the other 2 are the now test (both against and slightly away from the test paper)

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Also if you really wanna lower the nitrates easily. Do what i did.. Make yourself or buy a canister or reactor like container. Make sure it can hold 2 or 3 liters of seachem denitrate.. Hook this up to a slow pump. I have mine hooked up to a Eheim 350 surface skimmer ( no skimmer attached i just use the pump) that runs at 80gph according to the sticker. But testing the water in a 1 gallon jug with a stop watch it flows at 26gph (be ause it has to pump through a canister and all that denitrate) seachem recomend denitrate flow to be at 20 to 50gph.

When i had this hooked up to my 55g hexagon. My nitrates were 0-5ppm. I have it hooked up to my 135g tank and my nitrates are always around 10ppm. I actually didnt di water changes for 3 months.. lol which was a mistake i let my nagbesium get too low and it killed an acropora.. sigh . But yea.

And my 135g i have a blond naso. Sailfin, coral beauty, tomini tang, yellow tang, 3 damsels, 2 clowns, 2 sunset dottybacks, foxface rabbitfish. And these arent babies mind you they are all adults or a good 6inch+.

I feed em 3x a day with a big pinch of flakes and a chunk or two of nori. If i cut back feedings to 1x a day my nitrates will go to 5ppm and phosphates are reading 0.

I have no sump no refugium.. no skimmer...

Here isa pic of my little homemade canister setup. There are two of em here. Simple and works
20190816_221109.jpg
Snake oil to react to an issue instead of addressing it. I’ve spent years doing all of this. In fact last weekend broke down my denitrification reactor on my 125g freshwater growlit tank to turn it into turf scrubber reactor cause in freshwater there is nothing but hair algae as a remedy. In salt there are so many easier solutions. Like a good fuge.

Same issues apply to both. If you have corse sand bed you’ll always be fighting this battle. You’ll not find anyone with fine sand or bare bottom tanks over a year old dealing with nitrates after doing water changes still. You can buy enough extra equipment and maintain the issue but the issue is still there. I have a 10h nano I recently setup for my 2yo sons room. It runs an aq70 concerted to fuge with a $15 Chinese grow light and I’m too lazy to cut frozen cubes up so feed a full cube (enough for a 75g decently stocked) every day with 2” oolight sand and never go over 5ppm nitrates. This is a 10g with 6 fish snails hermits and a full gown adult blood shrimp! A scooter blenny, two clowns, two Green chromis, and a tang as I’m using it as a quarantine since it new.. there is no reason for anything else other then some crushed coral in the bottom of the filter so the pods have a place to grow.
 
Update: ran another 20% for kicks and giggles. It does look like it changed the first photo is the original test and the other 2 are the now test (both against and slightly away from the test paper)

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Yeah that looks like 20ppm to me maybe 25ish worst case although pictures don’t tranmite that well and usually show it a bit darker then it really is so definitely better for sure.
 
Snake oil to react to an issue instead of addressing it. I’ve spent years doing all of this. In fact last weekend broke down my denitrification reactor on my 125g freshwater growlit tank to turn it into turf scrubber reactor cause in freshwater there is nothing but hair algae as a remedy. In salt there are so many easier solutions. Like a good fuge.

Same issues apply to both. If you have corse sand bed you’ll always be fighting this battle. You’ll not find anyone with fine sand or bare bottom tanks over a year old dealing with nitrates after doing water changes still. You can buy enough extra equipment and maintain the issue but the issue is still there. I have a 10h nano I recently setup for my 2yo sons room. It runs an aq70 concerted to fuge with a $15 Chinese grow light and I’m too lazy to cut frozen cubes up so feed a full cube (enough for a 75g decently stocked) every day with 2” oolight sand and never go over 5ppm nitrates. This is a 10g with 6 fish snails hermits and a full gown adult blood shrimp! A scooter blenny, two clowns, two Green chromis, and a tang as I’m using it as a quarantine since it new.. there is no reason for anything else other then some crushed coral in the bottom of the filter so the pods have a place to grow.
Don’t get me wrong on freshwater tanks I run exclusively a mix of denitrate, matrix and pond matrix as imop it’s the best media.. for freshwater systems! Salt has so many more natural ways to never have to deal with these things vs freshwater tanks.
 
Update: ran another 20% for kicks and giggles. It does look like it changed the first photo is the original test and the other 2 are the now test (both against and slightly away from the test paper)

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On second note been trying to get to this for a while now but people who spend too much time buying stuff to fix issues they are making has been preventing me..

I wouldn’t run any media in your system. On a 20 nano the fuge should be more then enough with decent lighting. They are also likely storing nutrients in them. On my 10g I run the aq70 with intank backer. I use poly for first chamber, removed the decider between 2-3 and placed some crushed coral to help stabilize alk and cal.. (don’t know if this helps really but it can’t hurt and I got 3 buckets full in the garage lol) also gives young pods a place to live as we can’t use sand in a hob fuge lol) then there is my cheato. I have a 12w akne grow light I got off amazon for $15 max.. I put four small dabs of super glue at the corners and stuck it to the outside of the filter over the fuge. I then use a cut piece of poly filter lad to keep the cheato stands from flowing into the tank as the holes in the intank basket are overly large imop. Since I have a scooter in the tank I buy algae barn 5250 monthly and pour half into the fuge w zero flow for 15min and half into the tank in the morning hours before lights turn on. It’s hard to keep a good old population on a hob setup although in the mornings I can see adult pods all through the cheato. I start with a golf ball size piece and have fuge is full in two weeks time. When I remove cheato o dip is gently in the tank wo flow to maybe get a few extra pods but don’t stir it so I’m not Introduxing detritus that it’s captures.

My aq70 is also running with the aq30 impeller mod to reduce flow as I got the bigger filter just for a bigger housing bot for flow. My flow should be similar to say the aq50 this way. I also removed the intake entirely and have an overflow box from pico. I recommend spending the money to get the ocebabox one. The pick one I had to cut in half cause it’s soo tall and plexiglass the bottom. It also doesn’t hold on very well. The magnetic attachment of the oceanbox alone is with the difference in cost and ship time.

Filter is on the side of the tank like one would place a wave maker and I’ve got a jeabo sw10 on the opposite side back glass on lowest wave pulse setting. This is highest flow setting I can manage with oolight super fine sand wo blowing it everywhere.

Tank is asleep now but for reference.. when I get up in am I’ll post a few more pics of how the filter and tank is setup. Just started adding corals this week so tank rock is bare but I need to test perameters in am too so I’ll post them with api as well so you can gauge them vs your testing.

This is by far the easiest, simplest and most effective nano setup there is. I don’t even mix my own salt for this tank cause it’s not worth my time for this tank as it’s so small I use imagination premix and Kent 2 part nano to get alk and cal where I want. After sand and rock holds 8.5ish gallons of water and I do a 32oz cup from kitchen weekly as my water change lol. Hell rodi? I’m using my zero water filter for daily 8-12 oz water top offs. Two corals I placed in are already growing new stalks. Don’t even have a good light I’m using a Fluval nano 3.0 lol.

What I’m getting at is I’m no expert but I have a lot of experience and I know what works and what doesn’t and I carry that over all my tanks freshwater and saltwater. I hate maintance and spent likely thousands of dollars trying to reduce nutrients on tanks so I don’t have to change the water as often cause I hate it. I’ve dont all the fancy media and restore.. two things work 100% and cost little and need min a month to maintain. Fuge and turf scrubbers.

This tank is 1 month old tomorrow I think? I should have algea and diatoms everywhere right? Especially with my way over feedings? Nope. Little diatom on glass in few spots. Just got wavemaker in this 2 days ago so that’s helping there.

Simple works when done right. The more equipment you have the more chances for something to fail. Only thing I have to do is keep a $8 impeller on hand should the aq fail.

You’re issue to me is clearly the corse sand. I have a freshwater turtle tank. (Turtles are the dirtiest marine animals in the planet) used this as a chickid juvie tank for years using river rock as a substrate so it was too big for the turtle to eat. I was fighting 160ppm + nitrates weekly with 90+% water changes weekly and sometime bi weekly on that tank. One day I removed all the river rock pebbles and did 90% water change and was going to clean the bed later when I had time. Succinylcholine tank was only getting 10ppm nitrates. I fought this tank for years cussing my brother in law for giving my kids these turtles. Soon as I removed the gravel the tank was manageable. They are now adults and I feed them 10x what I used to still use it as a juvie freshwater tank and top off about 5g of water a weeek and do maybe at best 4 month water changes and never go over 40ppm lol and I’ve taken off the fx6 and marine land 360 full of matrix media and I’m now running a $30 old school emperor 300 with factory inserts and little matrix mixed in.

Your substrate has sooooo much more to do with your tank water then anything else. Fine sand or bare bottom is the only way to go. Only people choosing bare over fine is cause they warn that extra flow to keep tank clean.

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To clarify.. the white areas between the color bars are there as you’re supposed to hold the vile in front of the card in that white space to determine the color. I find a 45* tilt to the card and vile five best results wo being effected by lighting kelvin colors long as the light is from overhead.


Yea i know but im saying dont hold it up against the card it drasticly changes the color
 
Similar to how others there you place it in a circle at various places directly on the card to read. Only this one you just lay it down in the black area

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I dont hold mine against the card i hold it slightly away.. lile i said it chabges the color 20ppm will look like 40 against the card.. 10 will look like 20.

Do a google search lots of info on this and from what ive seen you hold it away from the card slightly
 
My point being is I’m not going to say all this with wo providing proof. Anyone can say they did this or that. But where’s the picture of the results. Wish this tank was more mature so it would look more appealing to most hit at a month with just enough rock algea for inverts to feed on corralline algae growing, no diatoms other then few minor spots on glass,and given the sticking is super high for size and feedings way over done.. I think it speaks for iteself. Nothing to hide here.. I’ll post more pics and testing results to back everything I believe in..

To those using diy neditrators and thinking water changes are a bore am way to fix everything.. stay tuned.. and FYI.. water changes are to replace nutrients used up in the ta k not to remove the ones building up in it..
 

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