Captive bred angels suck

[livinlifeinBKK]

But you do understand that isn't what dictates the price. There is so much work going on behind the curtain that it isn't even funny.

I wasn't referring to the captive bred fish, @i cant think said over where he is small black tangs (I think he was talking about wild caught black tangs but he may have been talking about CB) go for X price and someone replied that going for X price made it more sustainable. I may have misunderstood the context of the posts since I was probably doing something else at the same time though...anyway I agree with you that there's an immense amount of work (especially research) that goes into captive breeding which is a part of what determines the price.

 

[i cant think]

I wasn't referring to the captive bred fish, @i cant think said over where he is small black tangs (I think he was talking about wild caught black tangs but he may have been talking about CB) go for X price and someone replied that going for X price made it more sustainable. I may have misunderstood the context of the posts since I was probably doing something else at the same time though...anyway I agree with you that there's an immense amount of work (especially research) that goes into captive breeding which is a part of what determines the price.

Yeah, I was talking about WC black tangs, Z. rostratum. Although, the hybrid black x Scopas also go around the same price, probably a bit less but it’s been a long time since I saw one.

 

[areefer01]

I wasn't referring to the captive bred fish, @i cant think said over where he is small black tangs (I think he was talking about wild caught black tangs but he may have been talking about CB) go for X price and someone replied that going for X price made it more sustainable. I may have misunderstood the context of the posts since I was probably doing something else at the same time though...anyway I agree with you that there's an immense amount of work (especially research) that goes into captive breeding which is a part of what determines the price.

Thanks. I was mid thread and probably mixed up posts. Sorry about that.

Have a great day!

 

[Karen00]

That would probably be in Palau. The holding vats in the states where I believe they are grown out are bio secure. They still recommend QT as a practice thus me saying it has to be up to the hobbyist.

I read the same thing about US facilities being bio secure. I can't remember which site I was on so it may not be applicable to all facilities in the US.

 

[Manny’s Reef]

There are just so many amazingly beautiful and/or interesting fish out there to choose from I don't understand why anyone would pay those prices personally

^ this right here!

 

[i cant think]

^ this right here!

Definitely!
I get everyone wants Atleast one rare fish and that I can understand but why do you need every fish in the tank to be a rarity or expensive species?

 

[Karen00]

I think the only way forward is with captive breeding/aquaculture. I know a lot of species that are wild caught aren't under threat but that's rapidly going to change whether it's from climate change or other pressures on the ecosystem. I also can't fathom the number losses of wild caught creatures from the time they're captured to the time they end up in our tanks. I'm sure there are a lot of deaths from just capturing them, then more deaths on the way to the holding facility then more deaths at the holding facility then more deaths when they are shipped from the wholesaler to retailer then more deaths shipping to customers (or sometimes the drive home from the lfs in our cars) then the inevitable losses in our tanks. It's not sustainable. Also the way a lot of wild caught fish are captured is barbaric. They need to be left in the ocean.

 

[matthew_coletta]

Fish that young isn't gonna tolerate copper very well

Second this and also think they have to be fed extremely frequently with being that small. Varying food too especially when it comes to vitamins

 

[Zionas]

This kinda makes me wanna start with the hardier / easier angels first even CB specimens. For me that probably means Majestic, Gold Flake, and Blue Line. These three are among my favorite. Maybe Asfur too but I’m investigating whether their tendency to grow slowly and top out smaller in captivity is indeed true. Probably some of these before a CB Regal and the CB dwarfs mentioned here.

 

[Steve and his Animals]

My two cents: you can't get into these tiny angels and expect them to eat everything you throw at them just because they're captive bred. I already lost a CB regal from that assumption. I'm not making the same mistake with the multibar. She's getting live baby brine and I'm going to try my best to wean her onto prepared foods (she has some promise going for arctipods, which I also saw Melev's Reef giving to his CB interrupta) as she grows. It's really helpful to get a large acclimation box for them to make sure they are eating with vigor before you try to let them compete with established tankmates.

Think about it like freshwater breeding: the most successful freshwater breeders out there feed their fry live baby brine (or even smaller foods like vinegar eels/whiteworms/daphnia depending on the species) until they reach a certain size where they recognize that whatever you're throwing in the water is food. Until they reach that point, giving them pellets and frozen mysis isn't going to cut it. Why would this be any different for marine fish?

The way I see it, the fact that I have a multibar angel in my possession that is eating at all is a miracle to me. Easily my #1 marine fish, and I tried like a nutcase to keep a wild one. After going through seven wild ones with not even a hint of interest in prepared foods, I gave up. That's where I see the value in these breeding efforts. Making virtually impossible-to-keep fish possible.

 

[131696]

All them fish in the tank at 1 time ouch ammonia=stress