Carbon Dosing Study

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Here is a holiday data dump from a just completed series of 1-2 L carbon dosing experiments. The goal was to develop a setup and conditions to study carbon dosing. Not many experiments but interesting results all the same. These experiments started with 4 mM acetate as a calcium salt in aquarium water, corresponding to a single dose of 18 mL of vinegar per gallon. I looked at the conditions of “no substrate” vs “with substrate”, and with substrate “slowly stirred” vs “rapidly stirred”. I monitored nitrate and acetate consumption. I summarized the findings as a chart of nitrate consumption rate versus acetate consumption rate.


Here is a brief summary of observations


1-acetate is consumed about 10 time faster than nitrate (y vs x axis)

2-acetate and nitrate are consumed about 10 faster when substrate is present (green vs red dots). One “no substrate” experiment consumed nitrate and acetate unusually quickly (blue dot)

3-acetate is consumed even when nitrate is below detection level, though at a slower rate (yellow dot). Acetate consumption rates do not seem to be correlated to nitrate consumption rates

4-nitrate is not consumed in the presence of substrate only

5-acetate consumption might be slower at higher mixing rates in the presence of substrate

6-hazy solutions developed occasionally in “no substrate” experiments. Substrate was matted at the end of experiments that included acetate but not when acetate was absent

7-sometimes there was an initial 2 day lag in nitrate and acetate consumption

8-sometimes the nitrate consumption stalled in no substrate experiments

9-chemical oxygen demand (organics) increased in the two experiments it was measured


I hesitate to say anymore at this point with so few experiments performed. I need to duplicate some observations and probe other conditions in the next round of experiments. I would be interested in your thoughts. Ideas help design experiments.


Dan

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Higher consumption rate with substrate must be do to the bacterial colonies in the substrate.
 
Higher consumption rate with substrate must be do to the bacterial colonies in the substrate.

I wonder how these bacteria are using the nitrate, making biomass or nitrogen?
 
Probably completing the nitrogen cycle, thus nitrogen gas.

I won’t be able to prove that directly by measuring N2 production or with a nitrogen isotope, but I have been thinking about an indirect method like aerating the system and looking for a decrease in activity. I presume N2 formation occurs under low oxygen conditions.
 
Dan...These are interesting results....To really understand carbon doing is a great goal...This will be very helpful in understanding what the impact of dosing has on control of NO3 in our systems...Great work...will be very interested as your experiments progress.

rick
 
Dan...These are interesting results....To really understand carbon doing is a great goal...This will be very helpful in understanding what the impact of dosing has on control of NO3 in our systems...Great work...will be very interested as your experiments progress.

rick

Thanks Rick. Next data dump in February. Also on the drawing board is gaining experience with the BADES approach to nitrate reduction.
 
Thanks Rick. Next data dump in February. Also on the drawing board is gaining experience with the BADES approach to nitrate reduction.

Looking forward to it...Many Blessings this Holiday season


rick
 
Probably both. :)

How are you tracking acetate?

Titration. Destroy the bicarbonate buffer of the sample by acidifying to pH ~2, followed by bubbling air through it for ten minutes to disperse CO2, and then titration with 0.1 N NaOH. A blank titration curve treated similarly is subtracted from the sample titration curve. This method can detect 0.1-0.2 mM acetate. When I look at ethanol, PHA and glucose, I may be flying blind.
 
Titration. Destroy the bicarbonate buffer of the sample by acidifying to pH ~2, followed by bubbling air through it for ten minutes to disperse CO2, and then titration with 0.1 N NaOH. A blank titration curve treated similarly is subtracted from the sample titration curve. This method can detect 0.1-0.2 mM acetate. When I look at ethanol, PHA and glucose, I may be flying blind.

That should work, assuming the background of other titratable compounds is unchanging. How high was the background?
 
That should work, assuming the background of other titratable compounds is unchanging. How high was the background?

I have not been able to detect titratable compounds with this method except in skimmate. New salt water and tank water appear nearly identical, though this doesn’t address what might be happening during the experiment that is masked by the relatively high acetate levels. I think that I will continue titrating the experiments when I look at ethanol and glucose.
 

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