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Recently I've seen a lot of posts where people dose carbon (vinegar, vodka, etc..) I ran a reactor with activated carbon in it for a while and saw no difference in my tank whatsoever:( what is the reason for dosing carbon and what is the best method? Thx for the input!


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Those are two different carbons. Dosing is to feed bacteria (a big component of low-nutrient systems), while activated carbon is to adsorb stuff in the water column. Activated carbon is often used to clean up the water when something goes awry, and it plugs up and needs to be changed after awhile.
 
I see so what and how much to dose a 75 and 40? Does it make a huge difference?


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from my understanding if your gonna dose vodka its 0.1ml for every 25gallons
 
we nee to know total volume and % of rock, i did a quick calculation for you, see only the light blue area

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[TD="class: xl82, bgcolor: #ccffff, colspan: 6"]One shot glass is about 30 mlg One teaspoon is 5 mlg
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My 75 prob has 100 lbs rock and sump is about 15 gallons with about another 30lbs rock. On 40 very minimal maybe 30 lbs rock and 5 gallons in sump. When you say I detectable vs undetectable is there a test kit for this?


Mike D "like the beastie boys" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Pappy said:
My 75 prob has 100 lbs rock and sump is about 15 gallons with about another 30lbs rock. On 40 very minimal maybe 30 lbs rock and 5 gallons in sump. When you say I detectable vs undetectable is there a test kit for this?


Mike D "like the beastie boys" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Yes there are test kits, but test after you get rid of the hair algae :) I need percentage of rock since there are different density's.
 
Here's a pic of the my guess would be 75% water?75
ImageUploadedByTapatalk1342606209.383425.jpg

Here's a pic of 40 95% water?
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What is the test kit and will prob do the white vinegar?


Mike D "like the beastie boys" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Without a good skimmer you can actually do more damage then good by carbon dosing.... including kill your animals!
 
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You don't just need a good skimmer if you're serious about carbon dosing. You need a REALLY good oversized skimmer! Can't stress this enough. So many people try this and pollute their tank and blame the carbon dosing. Do your homework first. Here's a useful link with more info. Vodka Dosing by 'Genetics' and 'Stony_Corals' - Reefkeeping.com

Pic of my skimmer rated for 3-4x my water volume. Overkill? Maybe. But great results.
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I'm running an aqua c ev180 on the 40 gallon rated up to 180 gallons. And on the 75 I'm running an evolution 500 also rated at about 180. I will read the link as soon as I get a sec.


Mike D "like the beastie boys" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
I don't have any nitrates nor nitrites and do weekly wc. Is there another benefit? I believe Franky said it benefits the bacteria?


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Without heavy skimming the export will not happen, the ORP will drop like a hammer and you are risking everything going south.
 
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