Carib-Sea live sand

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Hi, I have had a few bags of live sand in my garage for the past few months..... We've had some days that have gotten into the 20's, will it still be live? If not, will I have issues with dead organisms?

This is going into a brand new tank with live rock so I won't be cycling it and I don't want this to cause one....TIA
 
What temperature did the garage get to? Did the sand freeze? If not, you're probably okay as the only living things in those bags of sand should be bacteria.
 
Your are always going to have some kind of cycle, setting up a new system. I would say go for it. The reason I say go for it is that the heat will case more issues then the cold with sand.
 
I'm assuming it froze as it was pretty cold for a while. I don't get cycles setting up a new tank if I use live rock.....
 
highly simple explanation here

that sand is packed free of organics, so just rinse it massively which you should do anyway even if its live. whether or not it has bacteria alive on it wont matter, plan initial bioloads around the known abilities of the live rock and control every cycle, all the time. your sand can be used for sure.
 
They say not to rinse it. Live stock is going in right away so I don't want to take any chances of this causing an ammonia spike.
 
I know they say that. its ok to follow other options if you want. to make sandbeds live as long as we do, pico reefs go about things differently.
 
Warm it up before adding. You may rinse I case some of the bacteria died off. If your rock is truly live, as in coming from another running system, you won't have a full on cycle. If you add the sand here is a chance for a mini cycle. Be prepared for it and be ready with water change and a ammonia binder.

I have set numerous tanks up using new sand (not live sand) and well established rock and had no issues.
 
Ill add another supporting detail, the way to opt out of any mini cycle in the event. Mini cycles must follow organic waste reserves, specifically that. without organic waste reserves, or death of animals *which then rot in the tank* any form of cycle can be avoided, when considering cured substrates as the basis of the setup (live cured rock for example)

if using brand new dry substrates in the tank, a digestion test of any substrate in question details if its ready for use (bioload oxidation) so there is never a doubt time. Mini cycles are a term involved with cured rock transfers, tank takedowns etc. Full on purpose cycles are whats intended for dry substrate...easy to keep the two separate.
among are ten reasons for prerinsing the sand, removal of any dead organics from prior live bacteria was one intended outcome.
 
Ya I may do that to be safe.....If I can rinse it with SW that would probably be better as it should rinse the dead bacteria but if it's still live it should keep it that way.....
 
I know this sounds crazy, but if you rinsed it in tap water it wouldn't kill the bacteria.
 
The bacteria are actually very resilient, which is why they can live in the bags for months and tolerate all kinds of storage and transportation conditions.
 
wait, wut

you are supposed to say all tap water kills bacteria instantly rendering the biosystem fully dead, then I ask why is it your tap water spits out live bacteria even after chlorination, and a portion of the bacteria going into your lemonade are likely the nitrifiers we thought dead. you circumvented all that heh

if you amped up the chlorination of tap water ten fold, and left a sample of bacteria sitting in it for 24 hours and refreshed the chlorination spike before then as well, and if there wasn't much of a bioslick for insulation, then yes 90% of the sample might die.

Tap water is a fine rinse, I re rinse w sw because I don't want the impurities and TDS going into my system. I do it on my living sandbed if no sw is handy, like this:

I take apart my mini reef and lay all the 14yr old corals on the counter in the air, live rock too. rip wash the whole sandbed in one sitting, ejecting all material. whats left is just grains of sand, its impossible to get a silt cloud in my tank (reason 2 of 10 possible for pre rinsing, im rinsing while the system is 10 yrs old)

what about the bacteria and the worms in the sandbed? Incidentals. will reseed. the bac are not harmed as a community in total. too short of contact duration using too low of antibacterial chems (chlor)

I then put back together the whole reef and make threads on it and why it doesn't recycle, no organics allowed.

even if you stripped all the possible bacteria in your sand out with a rinse, it wont matter, the initial bioloading should be planned around what your live rock can do and the sand is incidental. this is why bare bottom tanks don't need sand either, the nitrification off live rock alone is enough. the sand was only extra, not required, and usually makes for a great detritus diaper in the majority of sandbedded reefs.
 
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you're mixing up SW and RO water. Maybe this bacteria can live in FW maybe not. Probably not. Can you use established bacteria from a FW tank to nitrify ammonia in a SW tank? If not, I would assume FW would kill it. as far as tap water goes, at the moment that's what I use to mix my SW.
 
The bacteria are actually very resilient, which is why they can live in the bags for months and tolerate all kinds of storage and transportation conditions.

I would assume so....the question is how cold does it need to be to kill it and if it does die, does it contribute to the bio-load or just disappear or whatever,
 
I think they should be fine, I would worry if it was the other way around, like being exposed to hot summer day

I read online recently that nitrifying bacteria can live up to 120 degrees and down to 32.....
 
My Carib-sea live sand had some water in the bag. To minamize the cloudiness I used a fine net and let the water drain.
 
it will always be a source of debate as to whether brief contact time in tap water, fw, will kill bacteria. the microbiologists that work at processing plants hope it becomes that way, real fast...this includes marine filtration systems briefly exposed to freshwater, and even untreated tap. as soon as that becomes a source of sterilization ability against marine bacteria, big industry changes w occur where sterilization is required. we'll just run things under tap water

:)
 
the reason fw isn't impacting the sb in the steps mentioned is too low of a contact time to be antimicrobial/. its intended for detritus control, then you re rinse w sw to remove it from around the grains, I do this on my 10 yr old setup, sb is uber clean. but considering the above statements, my whole system isn't planned around the sand anyway it is incidental extra surface area. you could remove my entire sb and go instantly bare bottom and it will not cycle, the LR is sufficient for mine and most reef tank bioloads, this is why what we do with the sb really doesn't matter, as long as huge rotten waste stores aren't in play.

wouldn't claim that soaking live reef sand in tap water for extended periods is wise, im only using tap when fresh made sw isn't avail, and just after some tap blasting its hit with whatever sw I have for a rinse safety
 
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