CaRx out of control

I know is it’s the original way and I know it works well. It’s the assertion that it works better than pH control which I question.

I expect the specific implementation of both methods matters more than which is used.

I do always value the opinion, input and skepticism of a chemist.

Because that is what's actually running our calcium reactors, its chemistry.
 
So you saying extend the time between bubbles so i get less per minute?


Ive been considering recalibration the probe. Its like 6 months old. Calibrated with 7 and 4 ph fluid. Yes it is CaRx probe not tank probe.

Media is at ~2/3. Last filled 14 months ago.
Well, as many have stated here, there are many ways to run a reactor successfully. Find what works for you and it appears that you had it working well before. You just need to find out how to get it back there.
The way I run mine is this. I have been running my reactor with the reactor internal pH of 6.5-6.7. This gets adjusted based on the level of media in the reactor and DT alkalinity levels. My drip rate is fairly constant at a rate where I can just no longer count them. I target around 6.7 when I change my media and all is full and new. I lower the internal reactor pH as the media in the reactor falls below half or as needed to keep the alkalinity level stable in the DT. I think it wise to monitor the internal reactor pH, to a degree. I know what media I run and what the ideal pH to get the desired Alk levels needed to support my corals. In addition, I perform daily automatic water changes of 1.5%. So there is that. The monitoring of the reactor pH is important to let me know if something is out of whack with the reactor function and have the Apex turn off or on based on values that could be detrimental, either hi or low, to the DT.
If you are getting sufficient calcium levels with a reactor pH as high as you have, then you are running some easily dissolved media and are making a bottle of co2 last a LONG time. I suspect that your on and off levels are out of the range of most media to efficiently dissolve so that would lead to the assumption that your probe is reading wrong, and consequently needs calibration.
As you have stated, you were testing your Alk and it was super high. IF you have changed nothing else THEN I would start to question the efficacy or reliability of the alkalinity test. So my question to you is to reexamine the test kit, your testing procedure or something else that may have caused the precipitous rise in Alk first. I might suggest to get a Hanna or a new Hanna tester and compare the values to see if that is not the root cause.
But, to answer your question, yes, lower the number of bubbles and/or effluent rate and the pH in the reactor will rise and consequently lower the effluent Alk and then in turn will lower the Alk being added to the DT to combat the rise in DT Alk levels. You can test this by testing the effluent of your reactor at different bubble and/or flow rates.
Just my thoughts. Hope to hear more. I suspect there really is a different or combination of factors that may be causing your readings.
 
Please post the pH of the reactor after you calibrate the probe. Something doesn't seem quite right.

As Randy has said, there is more than one way to successfully run a CaRx. If your alk really rose +2 over time and you did not intend it to do so, you first need to figure out what went wrong with the method you had chosen. You mentioned that it was stable for a long time, so if it was working for you before, you can stick with it. As others have said, there may be "better" ways to run it, but first find out what went wrong and then decide how you want to proceed.

Are you going to try to drop alk back down to 8.5 and then keep it there, or will you just maintain it at the current levels in the future?

Thanks everyone- I re calibrated Ph probe in reactor- it went from 8.5 to 6.7!! That makes a lot more sense.

I have turned of co2 only efluent going thr CaRx at a higher rate as some have recommended. Once alk lowers some ill decide which of the methods mentioned to use. Ill let you know how it goes. Shouldn’t take m more than 2-3 days for alk to drop.

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Thanks everyone- I re calibrated Ph probe in reactor- it went from 8.5 to 6.7!! That makes a lot more sense.
That does make a lot more sense!

Just be careful about lowering the alk too quickly ...
 
I also stopped using a controller and just tune the reactor with bubble count and drip rate and measure the alk in the tank. The controllers always had issues and if they didn’t the probes did. I would suggest replacing the media if it’s 14 months old as well. Lots of good advice in this thread and glad to see a lot of other reefers not using controllers.
 
I do the 24/7 as well. It keeps the dosing much more stable then turning the gas on and off. Of course having a good probe for a safety is nice. Have to keep an eye on effluent and bubbles with this method. Only reason I when this way is that the probes fail or come un-calibrated too often.
 
That's the biggest T. peltata I have ever seen!
 
Which Is the T Paletta? I dont follow names, i just buy what I like.

The massive Cup coral on the left, could be wrong, pic isnt the best, but it looks like Tubinaria peltata, Most times they are 6-8" across or small frags in peoples tanks, yours is massive !
 
How old is the tank BTW? Have you tested PAR?

Tank is a reef savvy. I got in February of 2018. Transferred my previous tank to it. Then 6 months later in August 2018 we bought another house. I lost a bunch of acros in that move, hence why most acros are less than 14 months old.
 
The massive Cup coral on the left, could be wrong, pic isnt the best, but it looks like Tubinaria peltata, Most times they are 6-8" across or small frags in peoples tanks, yours is massive !

Ive had that coral for over 10 years. It started of as a 3” coral. This is a better pic.

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Ive had that coral for over 10 years. It started of as a 3” coral. This is a better pic.

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Really impressive! very cool! while many think Tubinaria is an LPS coral it is actually SPS, like I said that's the biggest one I have ever seen!
 
Very Nice Tank! I do agree that dropping the Alk quickly can be harmful. If it were me, I would turn back on the gas and just lower the bubble count or effluent rate and let her drop gradually over a week or so and then adjust back up to a maintenance level once you have reached your target Alk levels.
 
Very Nice Tank! I do agree that dropping the Alk quickly can be harmful. If it were me, I would turn back on the gas and just lower the bubble count or effluent rate and let her drop gradually over a week or so and then adjust back up to a maintenance level once you have reached your target Alk levels.
I agree also. I plan on it being a 1-2 week process. Normally I prefer 8.5-9 but willing for now to keep it at 9-9.5. Actually there time at 10-11 gave me excellent growth, I’m just scared its to close to issues.
 
your tuning (bubble count / effluent rate) should run the reactor/control the pH of a reactor not the CO2 cut off solenoid/ph controller.

dont pay attention to reactor pH, pay attention to tanks alk while tuning (seconds per bubble and effluent rate) once you reach that homeostasis where Alk is neither falling or raising for a few days. Then you can set your controller to close CO2 at a certain fallback point.
example - let's say you reach that homeostasis point and your reactor pH is hovering around 6.6 -6.7 then have your controller set to turn CO2 off at 6.4 and on at 6.5 as an emergency fallback only !
Can you describe these settings in a controller setting like the Apex (preferably), PLEASE?
 
I agree also. I plan on it being a 1-2 week process. Normally I prefer 8.5-9 but willing for now to keep it at 9-9.5. Actually there time at 10-11 gave me excellent growth, I’m just scared its to close to issues.

Smart, never do anything quick,
whichever way you decide to run your calcium reactor- Ph controller running the reactor vs fine tune, that's up to you, obviously what you were doing was working for a good period so I am not one to tell you to do different.

I too have run high alk numbers before, but you really have to watch your nutrient balance when doing so.
 

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