Check these out

[drainbamage]

and tell me what the difference is between them?

CoralPedia.com :: Candy Apple Pinks

CoralPedia.com :: Cat Eyes

CoralPedia.com :: Coco's Pink


Lighting is pretty much all I'm seeing different

 

[ficklefins]

I agree, they are the same thing under different conditions.

They should have an option to report items that are the same.

 

[ReeferRob]

Very interesting, I find some distinct differences between the three.

 

[ficklefins]

Very interesting, I find some distinct differences between the three.

Don't leave us hanging. What are the differences that you see?

 

[nycpassat]

IME, Who Dah's cats eye's pink base and green center is much darker(almost burgundy and luminescent green).

 

[scrapz]

cat eyes are small polyp zoas. The other two are larger common palys

 

[Jpurpz831]

my cats eyes are solid dark purple with green mouths those look different

 

[Mr. Microscope]

+1, I'm pretty sure Cat's eyes are tiny, but I've also noticed a lot of inconsistencies like that on zoaid.
I'm positive that Inside Outs and Coffee Cosmos are the same thing. Also, Blowpop, Eye of Rah, and Green Bay Packers. I've also seen my Fire and Ice look like Horizons, Orange Delights, and maybe another one in the time I've had them. I think some revisions are needed on the site. They need to make some distinctions on color morphs.

 

[Wy Renegade]

They have actually started doing some of that . . . trying to link similar polyps or morphs. Unfortunately, its a big project and its going to take a lot of time. And all the new submissions by everyone who thinks they have to give every single polyp a new name isn't helping.

 

[drainbamage]

Very interesting, I find some distinct differences between the three.

Such as?



And Ive never heard Cats Eyes are small zoas, I've always heard them and coco's pinks have the same size?

The center color has me curious, and I'm considering lighting pretty important. I have a colony of Cats Eyes or Coco's Pinks (ive always called them cats eyes, but looking at the links leaves it ambiguous now) and the centers of the polyps can apear a paster yellow at times, and under different lighting and stress/happiness of the colony, will look that pastel green.

And yea, I understand ZoaID is busy, that's why I put these up here first to get some more thoughts instead of just emailing. Seems enough people are seeing the similarities that maybe I can email them this thread to check out, and perhaps it'll be helpful.

 

[Wy Renegade]

Indeed, I've been talking about these types of things with "The Man" for awhile now, so I PMed him the links to all three threads. But a follow up e-mail certainly wouldn't hurt.

One of the things that I've learned from our discussions, is that sometimes it is hard to see the differences from a picture. The people who run Coralpedia try and get some of these in, so that they can get them side by side and see the actual differences. Obviously that isn't possible in every case, but it does add a little different perspective.

Similar to what happened here on R2R when everyone here said, based on pictures, that Space Monster and Strawberry Wines were the same polyp. Once you get to two side-by-side in a tank, it becomes obvious that they are different polyps.

Just my $.02 worth.

 

[drainbamage]

I was never sure who "the man" was, thanks for throwing them his or her way. And yea, I know pictures are tricky, especially with reefing as lighting becomes so important. Polyp size can't be determined on a fairly close shot, it's just tricky all around. and as has been pointed out, telling something is a paly or zoa is tough without touching the polyp, and at the least closing it up so you can find exterior patterns on the polyp-all things not really typically wanted in a picture.

Maybe a standard for submissions needs to be established? Such as picture taken within a certain spectrum of lighting, some form of measuring standard included in at least one picture, and one picture of polyps closed up? Would that be sufficient?

 

[Wy Renegade]

Those are questions I'm afraid I can't answer, but may be suggested to coralpedia through email. Next time I visit with them, I'll forward your thoughts.

 

[ctxmonitor]

I think we could never tell sometime if one zoas is really the same as the others.. As everyone know, the same zoa could change color under different light, and skirt size could be affected by flow from time to time and also low light will usually make polyp bigger.. the only way to really have a standard is if there is a ultimate system that people need to ship their zoas to and leave it there for a grow out.. Would that ever happen? naa... Especially with all the LED now bringing out more color and controlling the color to out liking..

 

[KLR]

I own some coco's pinks and they are nothing like candy apple pinks imo

but coco's pinks and cats eyes seem similar to me

 

[seafansar]

I have 4 different kinds of pink zoas like that. They are really similar, but you can tell them apart. They are all under the same lighting in the same tank. Honestly I think I would call them different names, but I think they look so common that they aren't worth naming.

 

[Wy Renegade]

I was never sure who "the man" was, thanks for throwing them his or her way. And yea, I know pictures are tricky, especially with reefing as lighting becomes so important. Polyp size can't be determined on a fairly close shot, it's just tricky all around. and as has been pointed out, telling something is a paly or zoa is tough without touching the polyp, and at the least closing it up so you can find exterior patterns on the polyp-all things not really typically wanted in a picture.

Maybe a standard for submissions needs to be established? Such as picture taken within a certain spectrum of lighting, some form of measuring standard included in at least one picture, and one picture of polyps closed up? Would that be sufficient?

Got a response from "Da Man", thought you would be interested . . .

"Those are some nifty threads, thanks for bringing them to my attention! Due to my immediate workload, I'm a little reluctant to jump right in right now. I have a feeling these discussions will lead to oodles of PMs and Emails. Which is great! But "greater" after about Jan 15th or so if ya know what I mean. Ha ha!

But we will work on them in the very near future."

Since this is the longest running thread of the three, I linked them below to make all three easier to find.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/zoa-discussion-club-zoa/50848-few-more.html

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/zoa-discussion-club-zoa/50849-last-set-night.html

 

[ruppertb]

i have had all 3 of these, the cats eyes are very small matting type, other 2 are palys. The cocos are a light redish pink like Goochsters. The others are more or a dark purple pink with light green center.

 

[drainbamage]

Got a response from "Da Man", thought you would be interested . . .

"Those are some nifty threads, thanks for bringing them to my attention! Due to my immediate workload, I'm a little reluctant to jump right in right now. I have a feeling these discussions will lead to oodles of PMs and Emails. Which is great! But "greater" after about Jan 15th or so if ya know what I mean. Ha ha!

But we will work on them in the very near future."

Since this is the longest running thread of the three, I linked them below to make all three easier to find.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/zoa-discussion-club-zoa/50848-few-more.html

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/zoa-discussion-club-zoa/50849-last-set-night.html

Thanks much! I'll drop him a brief email and see if there's any way a non-computer guy could be of help.

I know a lot of people are posting that they have cat's eyes or coco's that are different than the ones pictured- and I'm not disagreeing with any of you. The problem is, we all call things what we call them for just the heck of it, we're not comparing names to any given source like an encyclopedia or anything. The colony I got was sold to me as "pink palys" (the store I bought them from isn't very creative with naming, the guy spent 30 minutes applauding himself for coming up with blackana for a black acan.) Now I look up pics, say "hey, those are cat's eyes for sure." Six months later, someone shows a "coco's pink" and I'll say "nope, I have cat's eyes, that pink of coco's is wrong." and it's all worth about the same.
The only thing I know that hobbiests have established as of yet to create a documentation of names is coralpedia/zoaid, so until its library is cleaned up, we're all running in circles if we say "well my XX's look different, so that picture is wrong," right?

 

[ReeferRob]

I'll have to do a side by side of all mine to better describe the differences I see.

Things that stand out are the color differences not only on the dot of the mouth, the radial striations outward from the mouth on the oral disc not only color but definition.

I have Cat Eye's, Coco Pink, Carlito's Cat Eyes, and Who Dah Cat eyes. All very distinctive differences. Some could be morphs of each other, some are just different.