Chemiclean causing Dino's

[Anthrax15]

Is it possible that Chemiclean can cause Dino outbreaks? I have heard from a few folks that they had an outbreak after doing a treatment. I was able to beat Dinos cranking my NO3 up to 60-75ppm but now I have Cyano all over my sandbed. I was hoping to do a treatment then a 20% waterchange but Im hesitant to get another round of Dinos.

 

[gentlefish]

Is it possible that Chemiclean can cause Dino outbreaks? I have heard from a few folks that they had an outbreak after doing a treatment. I was able to beat Dinos cranking my NO3 up to 60-75ppm but now I have Cyano all over my sandbed. I was hoping to do a treatment then a 20% waterchange but Im hesitant to get another round of Dinos.

Congrats on beating Dino’s. Well sort of. It unlikely there are no Dino’s left. Just on average the balance shifted. So yes, one tries to find the balance between Algae-Dino’s-Cyanobacteria. Can you battle cyanobacter gentle? Removal by suction, agitation by flow? I’d hate to swing back towards Dinoflaggelates.

 

[Anthrax15]

I am attempting to do that now with weekly water changes instead monthly. Sucking the top layer of Cyano does nothing long term. It comes back a few days later. My tank is rounding 5 months old and I was hoping the Cyano stage would be nearing its end.

 

[gentlefish]

Can you direct a powerhead on it?

 

[Anthrax15]

Nah, all over the sandbed. I already have lots of flow in the tank.

 

[gentlefish]

How important is the sand bed for you? Go bare bottom? ( no my wife would not let me go without sand).

 

[Anthrax15]

Yeah, looking to keep the sand for now. I might just try it and see if it makes a difference. Thanks for the help

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I've not heard of a lot of folks getting dinos after using an antibiotic treatment (like Chemiclean) to kill cyano, but it is certainly possible.

 

[Vinman]

Is it possible that Chemiclean can cause Dino outbreaks? I have heard from a few folks that they had an outbreak after doing a treatment. I was able to beat Dinos cranking my NO3 up to 60-75ppm but now I have Cyano all over my sandbed. I was hoping to do a treatment then a 20% waterchange but Im hesitant to get another round of Dinos.

You can try a diamond goby they do a great job turning sand over which won't allow cyano to form

 

[vetteguy53081]

Not that it causes Dino but can be fuel for dinos
You want to do a good water change and then test phosphate and nitrate readings to assure they haven’t climbed from Dino treatment

 

[Dan_P]

Is it possible that Chemiclean can cause Dino outbreaks? I have heard from a few folks that they had an outbreak after doing a treatment. I was able to beat Dinos cranking my NO3 up to 60-75ppm but now I have Cyano all over my sandbed. I was hoping to do a treatment then a 20% waterchange but Im hesitant to get another round of Dinos.

Understand that no one really knows what causes one microorganism to dominate the scene for any given aquarium. There is a ton of anecdotal data in this hobby on this subject, and even by doubtful information standards, ”a few people” can be safely ignored.

The question for you is whether you like trying different ”soft” approaches, performing tweaks to the environment to nudge the offending organism to quit the scene, or do you want to just kill (or try to kill) the cyanobacteria. Oh, one other approach the is inbetween tweaks and killing is the rip clean, essentially removing the sand and rinsing it.

 

[taricha]

Is it possible that Chemiclean can cause Dino outbreaks? I have heard from a few folks that they had an outbreak after doing a treatment.

what often happens with these reports is that the hobbyist actually had both cyano and some dinos too. Then cyano died due to chemiclean, leaving the dinos behind. They will say things like "the cyano changed from red to brown".
dinos, if present will take advantage of the newly vacant space and dead organic material.
So there is a correlation, but chemiclean doesn't "cause" dinos.

 

[reefiniteasy]

Don’t have an answer for you about causing dinos but I do know after battling green cyano “naturally” for pretty much three months I gave in and used ChemiClean. I’m glad I did. I was tired of siphoning and trying beneficial bacteria products. My maintenance is spot on and I couldn’t figure out what imbalance I caused when I swapped out my main rock. Cyano is gone and my tank is thriving. Just my experience.

 

[homer1475]

Couple fighting conch will take of sand cyano. I have always(may years) had some cyano on my sandbed. I would suck it out weekly, then the next week it was right back to full on mats of red slimy cyano.

Finally tried a couple fighting conch a few months back. my sand bed has never been whiter. And I no longer have cyano on my sandbed.

 

[hawk82]

Ive used chemiclean with success on cyano, and it did not cause any dinos. I had dinos in the very start, but adding real live rock solved that issue.

 

[boboyo]

I've not heard of a lot of folks getting dinos after using an antibiotic treatment (like Chemiclean) to kill cyano, but it is certainly possible.

reviving the thread

Im in that situation, dinos took over right after i used chemiclean to fight cyano. I assume dying cyano was fuel for dino since i might have had both to start with?

Dinos are heavy now. Nitrate at 0. I took out all the fish and moved them in my new tank before chemiclean because i dont want anything to happen to them. The inverts were fine in the dino/cyano tank

 

[MarshallB]

Yeap I got dinos after using chemi-clean. I don't think chemi-clean directly causes it, it's more likely chemi-clean clears up enough real estate for dinos to occupy.

 

[boboyo]

Yeap I got dinos after using chemi-clean. I don't think chemi-clean directly causes it, it's more likely chemi-clean clears up enough real estate for dinos to occupy.

what did you do about it? Im debating wether i should move the rocks from the old dino tank into my new tank without treating the dino beforehand. Looks complicated. I started adding a bunch of food and mb7 daily since my nitates are at 0 in the dino tank

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

reviving the thread

Im in that situation, dinos took over right after i used chemiclean to fight cyano. I assume dying cyano was fuel for dino since i might have had both to start with?

Dinos are heavy now. Nitrate at 0. I took out all the fish and moved them in my new tank before chemiclean because i dont want anything to happen to them. The inverts were fine in the dino/cyano tank

An alternative explanation, as noted above, is that the antibiotic killed the bacteria on surfaces, opening the way for dinos to colonize it.

Low nutrients are not the way to beat dinos. I'd feed more or dose N and P.

 

[Sdot]

Unfortunately I am now in the same camp:mad:. I tried to up my phosphate from feeding rather than dose...lead to the worse cyano outbreak I've ever had, I'm kicking myself cause I know better. I tried the natural approach for over a few months..... I decided to use chemiclean and while it works... I now have dino's in an sps dominant reef. I have started dosing phosphate...kind of concerned about this because my reef was never zero previously when it came to nitrates and phosphate. I do feel like they are slowing going away..I haven't confirmed this yet, but it appears at the end of the photo period they tend to be the worse. I am dosing phyto and will perform a water change with Natural sea water. I remember performing a water change with NSW (The goal is to add more biodiversity) when I had a little cyano and it cleared it up within a few days...I hoping for similar results....we will see.