Chloroquine phosphate

kmaintl · Mar 16, 2015

Agree to start treating by lowering the salinity or copper. Either way, if temp is not at least 80F, raise it to hurry the life cycle. I would switch to CP when you can get a hold of some... it's much safer on fishes and bacteria bed IMO than copper.

soggytees · Mar 17, 2015

GREAT INFO! Why shouldn't it be used with wrasses?

Deinonych · Mar 17, 2015

soggytees said:
GREAT INFO! Why shouldn't it be used with wrasses?

There are anecdotal reports of certain species of wrasses not tolerating CP. I personally have lost a few flasher wrasses when attempting treatment. Symptoms after dosing have been consistent: wrasse does fine for a day, then becomes listless and perishes by the 2nd or 3rd day of treatment.

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

When using CP is it not just put in 1 time in the tank for a certain amount of days for treatment?

firemedix911 · Mar 17, 2015

Deinonych said:
There are anecdotal reports of certain species of wrasses not tolerating CP. I personally have lost a few flasher wrasses when attempting treatment. Symptoms after dosing have been consistent: wrasse does fine for a day, then becomes listless and perishes by the 2nd or 3rd day of treatment.

Yes. Unless doing WC. Then you need to dose properly whatever new water you're adding as to not lower the concentration of the med.

firemedix911 · Mar 17, 2015

Deinonych said:
There are anecdotal reports of certain species of wrasses not tolerating CP. I personally have lost a few flasher wrasses when attempting treatment. Symptoms after dosing have been consistent: wrasse does fine for a day, then becomes listless and perishes by the 2nd or 3rd day of treatment.

Quoted the wrong post. Sorry.

This is about the one time dosing on the tank question.

Yes. Unless doing WC. Then you need to dose properly whatever new water you're adding as to not lower the concentration of the med.

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

merlberg said:
When using CP is it not just put in 1 time in the tank for a certain amount of days for treatment?

You dose once and then leave the fish in it for 30 days. Dosage is 40mg/gal for prophylactic treatment; 60mg/gal for fish with visible ich or brook; 80mg/gal for velvet or Uronema marinum. However in theory, anything ≥40mg/gal should get the job done in all cases. I use a $20 digital scale to measure & dose.

Goat33 · Mar 17, 2015

Thank you for this information as I am currently battling ich and was wondering how to go about in fighting it. I will try this method.

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

My 2 cents on CP & wrasses: Back when I first started using CP, I ran a couple of sixline wrasses and a melanurus thru it @ 40mg/gal. My experience was similar to what Chris said. Except mine stopped eating and died after about a week. I was having so much success treating all my other fish with CP, that it took a little bit to make the connection with wrasses. I haven't treated a wrasse with CP since - I use copper or run them thru tank transfer when I need to QT.

Flash forward to the past 6 months or so. I've been advising a LFS on how to QT using CP, and he specializes in high end flasher & fairy wrasses. He tells me his wrasses do great in it, but he's losing ORA baby clownfish like crazy. So, go figure...

oh:

soggytees · Mar 17, 2015

Deinonych said:
There are anecdotal reports of certain species of wrasses not tolerating CP. I personally have lost a few flasher wrasses when attempting treatment. Symptoms after dosing have been consistent: wrasse does fine for a day, then becomes listless and perishes by the 2nd or 3rd day of treatment.

Humblefish said:
My 2 cents on CP & wrasses: Back when I first started using CP, I ran a couple of sixline wrasses and a melanurus thru it @ 40mg/gal. My experience was similar to what Chris said. Except mine stopped eating and died after about a week. I was having so much success treating all my other fish with CP, that it took a little bit to make the connection with wrasses. I haven't treated a wrasse with CP since - I use copper or run them thru tank transfer when I need to QT.

Flash forward to the past 6 months or so. I've been advising a LFS on how to QT using CP, and he specializes in high end flasher & fairy wrasses. He tells me his wrasses do great in it, but he's losing ORA baby clownfish like crazy. So, go figure... oh:

Interesting. I wonder why the wrasses seem to be susceptible to it when most other fish do fine (and why the LFS is having different results). Maybe they're just sensitive fish in general...?? Thanks for sharing! This is a new treatment tool for me.

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Thanks for the info.. I'm a newbie and my puffer had visible ich but I had no clue what to do so I asked the place where I bought it from to house it for me lol since I literally bought it 2 days ago. But I will def try this method.

As for measuring the dosage amount will teaspoon measurements not work? I ask this because you stated you used a digital scale? Just curious cuz if teaspoon measurements will not work maybe I might look into getting a scale as well

Thanks for the info. I'm sure I'll have more questions lol

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Ok so dosage wise If my qt is a 10 gallon are you saying 40mg will be suffice dosage for my tank for 30 days?

And what about when I tap off the water? I have to add a little more dosage right?

Sry about all the questions just want to make sure I understand it correctly because ich seems to be very common and I want to be able to know what to do if it happens to me again

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

merlberg You can't accurately dose it using teaspoon measurements. It's measured by weight, so you need a scale (preferably digital for accuracy purposes.) See links/pic below.

You don't dose more CP for evaporation; only for water changes.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM

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merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Ahh I see thanks so much .. Def going to order this scale n thanks for the quick response as well You've been a great deal of help when it comes to using CP.

Is it ok to use solutions such as prime or stress coat when using Cp?

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

merlberg said:
Is it ok to use solutions such as prime or stress coat when using Cp?

I've used both Prime & Amquel in conjunction with CP, with no ill effects. I haven't used stress coat since my freshwater days. :wink:

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Lol really no stresscoat?! I'm assuming you dnt use tap water like me then lol right?

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

merlberg said:
Lol really no stresscoat?! I'm assuming you dnt use tap water like me then lol right?

I only use RODI. When I QT, I will often use water stored from a recent DT water change. I'm thrifty like that. :wink:

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Oh ok ... So you use rodi for a new Qt and top it off wit ur DT water?

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2015

merlberg said:
Oh ok ... So you use rodi for a new Qt and top it off wit ur DT water?

No, I use water from a recent display tank water change to fill my QT and RODI freshwater to top it off as needed. Obviously, this is only a good idea if you are sure your DT is disease free.

merlberg · Mar 17, 2015

Ohh ok I see... Makes more sense lol! In your QT how is good bacteria produced if no live rock? I've heard of just buying liquid good bacteria to put in the Qt but when I went to the fish place he told me not too and just use my DT water since it already has good bacteria. But I feel as if he was giving me false info because a lot of things read says to just buy good bacteria