Choosing large angels

Thanks for all the discussion, it's great!

Angels in a reef are certainly a risk, no doubt about it. How much risk one will tolerate and what lengths one will go to in order to mitigate that risk are choices every reefkeeper makes. What livestock has priority is also an individual choice.

I have kept reef safe only fish in my reef for over 25 years. I am tired of them. I find I now prefer the fish, but dont want a fowlr tank, so I am willing to accept risk of coral eating angels. I am willing to keep only corals these fish will more likely leave alone. I am willing to remove a fish that goes rogue or any coral that ends up on the menu.

There are a lot of long term success stories with angels to go with the failures. A common thread in the success stories is keeping corals that are less likely to be eaten by the fish choosen along with a willingness to remove an individual fish (or coral) that doesn't read the forums to learn what eats what.

A common thread in the failures is keeping an angel with riskier corals such as a favorite acan or a scoly. In that case, the coral has priority and when the fish turns, it is a failure. This feels more like forcing a fish into a system to me, and is a sure fire way to fail.

All just my perspective and opinion, of course.

Still trying to decide on that second angel!
Regal for sure, as for a second choice LA has had some nice captive bred angels lately. I picked up a Bali Aquarich CB Majestic Angel from them recently. Great looking angel with a ton of personality. Great thing is I get to watch him grow since he is 1.75". Not to mention hopefully since he's captive bred he wont have a taste for corals (too often). Only time will tell.
 
I didn't see the cb majestic, I'll have a look.

Right now emperor, scribbled majestic would be my order of priority, but that will likely change before I even post this reply haha
 
I didn't see the cb majestic, I'll have a look.

Right now emperor, scribbled majestic would be my order of priority, but that will likely change before I even post this reply haha
Emperor has the best personality. I don't usually get attached to fish but I loved my emperor. I could hand feed the guy and he was always doing something interesting in the tank. His croaking when he was getting impatient with me was classic. I was pretty sad when marine velvet took him last year. I raised him since he was a 2.5" juvi into a 7" adult monster as thick as a T-bone.

I'm still feeling the scribbled out in the QT. I like that he swims right up to me waiting for food and its only been 4 days. He seems to entertain himself with the PVC caves in the QT. He flashes his full fins at me like he's trying to get my attention to feed him.

Majestic is just boldly colored gorgeous. I've never gotten much of a personality from either of the two I had. Beautiful fish though, keeps to itself mostly, likes to hide in my rockwork and come out to eat versus boldly swimming around all the time like my emperor used to.
 
I didn't see the cb majestic, I'll have a look.

Right now emperor, scribbled majestic would be my order of priority, but that will likely change before I even post this reply haha
I picked up the CB Majestic a couple weeks ago on Divers Den. They're one of the harder ones to come by.
 
Regal for sure, as for a second choice LA has had some nice captive bred angels lately. I picked up a Bali Aquarich CB Majestic Angel from them recently. Great looking angel with a ton of personality. Great thing is I get to watch him grow since he is 1.75". Not to mention hopefully since he's captive bred he wont have a taste for corals (too often). Only time will tell.
I will say getting a healthy and eating regal may make you want to quit the hobby. Its no joke that they are hard to get eating and survive QT. My advice is to get a red sea one, they seem to have better survival rates. If you can ever get it to eat, keep feeding the heck out of it whatever it is eating. If it chomps on pellets, give it all the pellets in the world to eat. If it eats brine shrimp, feed the heck out of it with brine shrimp. Don't worry about nutritional level. As long as he's eating, keep feeding him it and try to sneak other foods with it and see if he bites. And for sure put him in the display first and let him get settled before adding the second angel.
 
I won't set up my new tank until late summer or fall. I am going to get the regal soon and get him qted and into my peaceful 120(fingers crossed) so he can be fat and comfortable before being in the first group into the new tank. This gives me time should I need to try a couple before I am successful. I hope I don't lose any.... I would feel terrible
 
Majestic is the better choice, cryptic and slightly more reef safe than the Blueface.
 
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I will say getting a healthy and eating regal may make you want to quit the hobby. Its no joke that they are hard to get eating and survive QT. My advice is to get a red sea one, they seem to have better survival rates. If you can ever get it to eat, keep feeding the heck out of it whatever it is eating. If it chomps on pellets, give it all the pellets in the world to eat. If it eats brine shrimp, feed the heck out of it with brine shrimp. Don't worry about nutritional level. As long as he's eating, keep feeding him it and try to sneak other foods with it and see if he bites. And for sure put him in the display first and let him get settled before adding the second angel.
I had a Red Sea Regal for a couple years which I lost over the summer to a tank crash (failed pump) while I was on vacation. Man, I miss that fish. A few months ago I picked up a Maldives Juvi Regal from LA. Pic attached. Fish was eating right out of the bag. The main thing with Regals is to get a healthy one and a juvenile if possible. Along with buy from a reputable source. Best thing to do if not getting one from LA/DD is to ask the vendor for a video of the fish eating. Reason I say LA/DD is they have the best guarantee in the business along with they ensure the fish is eating before selling.

On another note on QT, both my Regals showed no issues with Copper, Prazi,Metroplex,kanaplex or acriflavine. Key thing is to feed them and make sure they’re eating good before any treatment that might suppress their appetite.
 
For something a bit different . . . you might consider the Griffis.

Picked one up a couple months back, and just picked up a second hoping to pair them. Just find them very intelligent and interactive. Will eat from my tweezers and explores my with such care . . . very interesting animals. Seem pretty hardy, and not too hard to source.
 
Thanks for all the discussion, it's great!

Angels in a reef are certainly a risk, no doubt about it. How much risk one will tolerate and what lengths one will go to in order to mitigate that risk are choices every reefkeeper makes. What livestock has priority is also an individual choice.

I have kept reef safe only fish in my reef for over 25 years. I am tired of them. I find I now prefer the fish, but dont want a fowlr tank, so I am willing to accept risk of coral eating angels. I am willing to keep only corals these fish will more likely leave alone. I am willing to remove a fish that goes rogue or any coral that ends up on the menu.

There are a lot of long term success stories with angels to go with the failures. A common thread in the success stories is keeping corals that are less likely to be eaten by the fish choosen along with a willingness to remove an individual fish (or coral) that doesn't read the forums to learn what eats what.

A common thread in the failures is keeping an angel with riskier corals such as a favorite acan or a scoly. In that case, the coral has priority and when the fish turns, it is a failure. This feels more like forcing a fish into a system to me, and is a sure fire way to fail.

All just my perspective and opinion, of course.

Still trying to decide on that second angel!

Understanding this is how people have success with angels in a reef. Tank size matters also.

As far as qt'd angels, I've found setting up the qt with pieces of mature rock maybe even with some cryptic sponges, they also seem to take live black worms pretty good. Even putting a couple of dither fish with them that easily eats from the water column helps. Immediately treat for parasites, as soon as they start eating mix metroples/focus in their food. I've seen angels pick and barely eat through qt, then as soon as they get in the dt, they take off. Qt is best to be at least a 55g, a small qt also leads to major stress.
 
I should have made this thread a poll...
 
Emperors are definitely grumpy but so full of character with their audible grunts. Think of an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. The kids will give him a wide berth but he'll never really be any harm, at least in my tank.

This is a perfect analogy - make me chuckle!
 
Angels in a reef are certainly a risk, no doubt about it. How much risk one will tolerate and what lengths one will go to in order to mitigate that risk are choices every reefkeeper makes. What livestock has priority is also an individual choice.

Agreed! I'm a fish first reefer. I simply avoid those corals that are likely to be lunch.
 
Has anyone tried a Passer angel with SPS? That’s what I’m leaning towards when new tank is up and going
 
They want everyone to know they’re in charge. Mine went after my dogface puffer, and he went round and round with a 7” Niger trigger. I had to get rid of him.
They want everyone to know they’re in charge. Mine went after my dogface puffer, and he went round and round with a 7” Niger trigger. I had to get rid of him.
The emperor I had was a boss no one was safe didn’t matter which Fish was near him he would chase them away
 
Dennis92, did he injure them, or just chase them? Did he chase little fish as well?
 
Hello! We have a 300gal reef with mostly LPS and softies. Have a Coral Beauty was one of our first fish before we decided to do a reef in a 75 gal. It never touches the coral. Also added an adult Annularis Angel a few months ago. It is absolutely beautiful and we got lucky doesn’t touch the coral either. A little shy though. We also have it with 9 tangs, 7 fairy wrasse and others. We also have a 180 fish only tank. In that tank have a 10yr old Koran and 10yr old Sohal. The Koran is very friendly always follows us and we can hand feed him krill. The sohal is amazing! Both get along well with the others. We later added a juvenile emperor and an adult majestic. Those are still more timid but all get along. We had an adult scribble a few years ago but lost it. Was one of our favorites very personable and never bothered the reef. But have to say I think the Koran and Sohal are my favorites. My local fish store owner puts any angels in his mixed reef tanks and says it all depends on the fish and how well you feed them! Good luck. I also love the regal! So many to choose from.
 
Trio of spotbreast Angels on DD today ..... tempting. Fortunately, I'm out of QT space for now.
 
Lol I saw those. They looked good!
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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