Cipro availability

[vetteguy53081]

Its meds like cipro why consideration and passing was initiated for medications no longer available in Canada due to use, misuse and overuse and discarded incorrectly

 

[robanister]

You get a person with a notion to try an antibiotic, medication and substance with the feeling " what's good for the goose, is good for the gander" and by coincidence it works and then there's a news release from the individual.
Peroxide is a good oxidizer and anti-bacterial which you rarely see at a doctor's office, yet widely used as examples.

Who says i got a peroxide bottle right here next to me .

 

[Magnapinna]

With this being said light and uv does degrade cipro so it will break down. I also do not do a wc after treatment so nothing going dow the drain and I assume 3 months later that the uv broke down the antibiotic.

The chemical itself isn't so much the issue compared to any bacteria which may be naturally selected to resist the drug. Those bacteria multiply, spread, and continue to cause infection, but respond to one less treatment. That's a big problem if they're only responsive to few treatments to begin with

 

[robanister]

The chemical itself isn't so much the issue compared to any bacteria which may be naturally selected to resist the drug. Those bacteria multiply, spread, and continue to cause infection, but respond to one less treatment. That's a big problem if they're only responsive to few treatments to begin with

I think your talking about Gene transfer...

 

[robanister]

I think your talking about Gene transfer...

If remember right gene transfer required both alive and dead bacteria. If I kill the bacteria in the tank there is no alive bacteria for it to transfer resistance too. Unless you put the same bacteria back in then all gloves are off.

 

[Magnapinna]

If remember right gene transfer required both alive and dead bacteria. If I kill the bacteria in the tank there is no alive bacteria for it to transfer resistance too. Unless you put the same bacteria back in then all gloves are off.

Gene transfer can play a role but it's not what I'm referring to here; I'm talking about plain and simple reproduction. Sure they can't reproduce if they're all dead, but how do you assure none survive? All it takes is one straggler to multiply exponentially and reinstate a thriving population. If/when it comes back, you have one less defense.

The reality is many people use antibiotics carelessly, and even meticulous security can fail. Bacteria can transfer in splashes of water you didn't even notice. Some of the more resilient bacteria can survive conventional means of sterilization, as well as dessication. You can never assume the treatment itself killed all the bacteria.

 

[robanister]

Gene transfer can play a role but it's not what I'm referring to here; I'm talking about plain and simple reproduction. Sure they can't reproduce if they're all dead, but how do you assure none survive? All it takes is one straggler to multiply exponentially and reinstate a thriving population. If/when it comes back, you have one less defense.

The reality is many people use antibiotics carelessly, and even meticulous security can fail. Bacteria can transfer in splashes of water you didn't even notice. Some of the more resilient bacteria can survive conventional means of sterilization, as well as dessication. You can never assume the treatment itself killed all the bacteria.

True delution is the solution. What about it taking several generations before resistance is achieved.

 

[robanister]

True delution is the solution. What about it taking several generations before resistance is achieved.

Also the bacteria can also become weaker in time and never be a problem again. Or even competition from good bacteria

 

[Amstar]

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Dosing on the web says (can’t be right, right?)

Dosage…Use one tablet [ 250mg. ] per 1 gallons water

Dissolve in small amount of water, add directly into aquarium, pond or hospital tank

 

[robanister]

Dosing on the web says (can’t be right, right?)

Dosage…Use one tablet [ 250mg. ] per 1 gallons water

Dissolve in small amount of water, add directly into aquarium, pond or hospital tank

That's not right there is a cipro thread with dose.

 

[robanister]

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

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[Aqualund]

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Thank you!

 

[pavel vasev]

Приятели, всички знаем, че антибиотиците не са панацея, ципрото ми действа без странични усложнения. Аз лично използвам високи дози във водата на моя 1700л аквариум, слагам 10 Cipro 500 mg

Translation:
Friends, we all know that antibiotics are not a panacea, cipro worked for me without side complications. I personally use high doses in the water of my 1700l aquarium, I put 10 Cipro 500 mg

 

[vanvob]

I'm not who you were replying to, but I am a biology student with major reservations about antibiotic overuse. Ciprofloxacin is especially bad IMO because it plays such an important role in a human clinical setting. If there are ANY other options -- which I believe there almost always are -- we should do all we can to discourage resistance. I personally dislike antibiotic use in aquaria in general but I understand it is sometimes necessary. But some are more important to human medicine than others and Cipro is an example of one that's life or death.

 

[vanvob]

I am a stream biologist and completely understand the reservations and misuse of antibiotics having impacts to human and environmental health. However, most of the antibiotic resistant pathogens we are finding are tied back to industrial feedlots (cattle, pigs, poultry) - where manure application is done and being transported from fields to streams.

I strongly believe in the use of antibiotics on coral tissue when needed. Especially for an average reefers tank that is likely overcrowded and susceptible to infection. Just my two cents.

 

[IrezumiHurts]

Just chiming in to observe that i travel a lot for work, like outside the US.

I was surprised to find Cipro, amoxicillin, actually quite a few things are cheap and readily available OTC in most of the countries I visit that you can barely get a script for in the US.

I guess my point is people can take whatever ethical stance they want, but they should also be aware the rest of the world may not be beholden to those views. It may feel good to have the moral collateral, but if the wider problem of antibiotic proliferation falls outside of meaningful controls then it may not amount to much tangibly in the grand scheme of things. That's not to imply it's right or wrong to contribute to "the problem" (which to be fair is also a solution in is own right), because that's like saying why bother to recycle when some other countries just burn their trash, but rather it's just a reality the problems around the topic are probably much larger than people assume or the actual value of their contributions.

Either way, In the off chance anyone is traveling, you may find them at your local drug store. But people get hung up trying to find cipro when there are many ABX available, such ans erythromycin, kanamycin, etc that work well also