Clown fish Uronema marinum?

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

Hi
This clown fish has some serious skin discolor near its tail and stop eating since yesterday. The other clown was not eating but resume eating yesterday. I’m wondering if this Uronema marinum or something else? The fishes has been in 1.75 copper safe (Hanna checker) for 11 days already. Other fishes are still doing okay , however there is still ich symptoms (flashing and head tweaking) after the 10 days mark of copper treatments. I have dose 2 round metroplex for this week to combat uronena marinum already.
I really having hard time to keep fish alive, and my dt is currently being fallow due to the velvet I have before. I hope I can save this new batch of fishes. Please let me know how I can save them. Thank you!

deedubz · May 24, 2018

You're already dosing with metro, which would have been my first suggestion.

I'm doing formalin dips on my fish as we speak because of metro immune brooklynella. It would seem logical that uronema could be resistant as well. Let's see what others think

@Humblefish @HotRocks @melypr1985 @Big G @4FordFamily

lagatbezan · May 24, 2018

I'm not an expert, but from my experience uronema tends to look like a lesion on the body with red sores and raised scales around it. not sure if that is what you are dealing with. Is it like that on both sides of the fish? does it look like the skin has been peeled? if so maybe dealing with brook.
if not, could be a bacterial infection in which case you can treat with trifecta of metro, furan2 and kanaplex (the metro should treat uronema as well at the same time). Not sure if you can treat in conjunction with copper though.

HotRocks · May 24, 2018

dwwataz said:
You're already dosing with metro, which would have been my first suggestion.

I'm doing formalin dips on my fish as we speak because of metro immune brooklynella. It would seem logical that uronema could be resistant as well. Let's see what others think

@Humblefish @HotRocks @melypr1985 @Big G @4FordFamily

Although, it is fully possible to run into an immune strain of parasite based on the pictures provided I am not fully convinced that this is uronema.

OP can you post some pictures taken under brighter white light and clear close-ups?

The twitching could just be still irritation from the ich. You could also be dealing with flukes here, have you done a freshwater dip?

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

lagatbezan said:
I'm not an expert, but from my experience uronema tends to look like a lesion on the body with red sores and raised scales around it. not sure if that is what you are dealing with. Is it like that on both sides of the fish? does it look like the skin has been peeled? if so maybe dealing with brook.
if not, could be a bacterial infection in which case you can treat with trifecta of metro, furan2 and kanaplex (the metro should treat uronema as well at the same time). Not sure if you can treat in conjunction with copper though.

It is on both side. It was started as a small line yesterday and today it cover the bottom part already

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

HotRocks said:
Although, it is fully possible to run into an immune strain of parasite based on the pictures provided I am not fully convinced that this is uronema.

OP can you post some pictures taken under brighter white light and clear close-ups?

The twitching could just be still irritation from the ich. You could also be dealing with flukes here, have you done a freshwater dip?

I have do fresh water dip for the other clown 2 times before when it was not eating. However, I do not see any thing. Here is the picture under light.

4FordFamily · May 24, 2018

Kevinkmk said:
I have do fresh water dip for the other clown 2 times before when it was not eating. However, I do not see any thing. Here is the picture under light.

The tail of the middle clown appears to be infected, is that an accurate observation (of the trouble area)?

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

4FordFamily said:
The tail of the middle clown appears to be infected, is that an accurate observation (of the trouble area)?

Yes. It was only a small patch yesterday. Any idea what is it?

Humblefish · May 24, 2018

Kevinkmk said:
Yes. It was only a small patch yesterday. Any idea what is it?

More likely a bacterial infection: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bacterial-infections.191511/

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

Humblefish said:
More likely a bacterial infection: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bacterial-infections.191511/

I do have kananplex and furan2 with me. However the qt already has metroplex and copper doses. Should I wait to see if it improve or should I dose the other med?

Update: it has started eating this afternoon.

Humblefish · May 24, 2018

Kevinkmk said:
I do have kananplex and furan2 with me. However the qt already has metroplex and copper doses. Should I wait to see if it improve or should I dose the other med?

Update: it has started eating this afternoon.

I would start out by dosing just Kanaplex and see if his condition improves. Kanamycin is a relatively mild antibiotic and is readily absorbed by the fish's skin.

Kevinkmk · May 24, 2018

Humblefish said:
I would start out by dosing just Kanaplex and see if his condition improves. Kanamycin is a relatively mild antibiotic and is readily absorbed by the fish's skin.

Thank humblefish! I will keep you guys updated.

Kevinkmk · May 30, 2018

Just want to give some update. Despite the infection mark is still there, the clown fish has resume eating and acting normally after 2 dose of kannaplex. However, some fish still occasionally flashing to the pvc, but I don’t see any more ich spot(16 days in therapeutic level of copper). Thank you so much guys for all your help!

ADeepBlueSea · Jan 1, 2019

Do you have an update on your clown? Still alive? Mine has the exact same discoloration on the back half and not really responding to anything. Treating for Uronema but nothing is working. Thanks!

Kevinkmk · Jan 1, 2019

ADeepBlueSea said:
Do you have an update on your clown? Still alive? Mine has the exact same discoloration on the back half and not really responding to anything. Treating for Uronema but nothing is working. Thanks!

I have dosed Kanaplex and it seem to help him recover. The fish is already live my dt for a while now. I suggest keep them in good condition qt to observe before moving into display.