Clown harem tank?! Need advice

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hey guys im looking to start a clown harem tank. someone local to me is selling a red sea 170 (34 gallons).

Im very tempted to make it a clown tank. Is this a good/bad idea?

Im thinking at least 10 baby clowns with many BTA.

Any feedback
 
I think it might be too small of a tank.
I started a clown harem tank with a RSM250 which is 66 gallons last year. Bought 23 Snowflakes from the same clutch and now have 12. They start being aggressive after about 4-6 months and tank size is a key factor along with extensive feeding.
 
thats a big hit. you think they died bc of agression
 
I do.
You can literally see certain ones get larger and exhibit aggressive behavior and chase weaker individuals to the top corners of the tank.
 
I've seen this done in smaller systems, I've also been part of a very large one at the facility I used to work at. With smaller systems I've seen many babies added at once with plenty of territory and a lot of feeding, I've also seen systems where pairs were added over time in acclimation boxes, which takes more time but is more controlled. I can't speak for the main aquarist who started the harem tank and I haven't seen it in about a year, but getting it going can be quite difficult. It was a 500gal system with several hundred babies, feeding 3+ times daily with all that room and as many anemones as we could put in there and there was still aggression as they matured, even with all that there were plenty of losses. They're ruthless. In a small system (which is most every system when you think about it, 500gallons was still difficult) you'll see them mature and try to pair off or try to become dominant and it will be armageddon.
 
I've seen this done in smaller systems, I've also been part of a very large one at the facility I used to work at. With smaller systems I've seen many babies added at once with plenty of territory and a lot of feeding, I've also seen systems where pairs were added over time in acclimation boxes, which takes more time but is more controlled. I can't speak for the main aquarist who started the harem tank and I haven't seen it in about a year, but getting it going can be quite difficult. It was a 500gal system with several hundred babies, feeding 3+ times daily with all that room and as many anemones as we could put in there and there was still aggression as they matured, even with all that there were plenty of losses. They're ruthless. In a small system (which is most every system when you think about it, 500gallons was still difficult) you'll see them mature and try to pair off or try to become dominant and it will be armageddon.

cool thanks for the help guys. guess im going to pass on the idea.
 
I have only seen 'success' in larger tanks 100+ gallons. Regardless of the size of tank there is usually die off of the smallest/weakest fish, but larger systems I have seen 90%+ make it past the 1 year mark.
 
I have only seen 'success' in larger tanks 100+ gallons. Regardless of the size of tank there is usually die off of the smallest/weakest fish, but larger systems I have seen 90%+ make it past the 1 year mark.

yea i just wanted BRS tank series and they made it almost 5 years with it. its tempting but i would rather have my larger tank for other fish.
 
yea i just wanted BRS tank series and they made it almost 5 years with it. its tempting but i would rather have my larger tank for other fish.

I agree. If I were to set up a larger tank in a lobby then a larger clown harem tank would seem exciting to onlookers, but I wouldn't do it at home. With 34 gallons there are some smaller fish you can keep, or a pair of clowns with an anemone.
 
I heard that unless they are all from the same clutch and fed well they will absolutely kill each other off.
 
Your chances of success is raised by 50% if within the same clutch but not guaranteed as in my experience.
 
Also not an inexpensive project. I paid $500 for 20 clowns shipped from the same clutch (received 23) not to mention the 15+ RBTAs.
 
You're eventually going to find someone who says it will work. It typically doesn't. The problem is that clowns have their own personalities. I have a female perc that has a brain meltdown every so often and she kills her mate. It happened twice already. That's just how clowns are, and this behavior doesn't change when they're put in large groups -- it may even elevate this type of behavior because it's most likely increases stress levels of all of the fish. It also not a natural environment. In the ocean, we may see a dominant female, a male, and a few subordinates, but not a harem where all of the fish are from the same clutch or are the same size.

If you really want to give it a shot, go with a larger tank, primarily because you can house more anemones (more on this in a moment). I think a 34 gallon tank is too small; it's simply not enough space for the inhabitants but also the type of filtration you'll need to keep parameters in check given the high bio-load.

The reason that you want to have a lot of anemones is so the clowns can literally get lost in them. Aggression is minimized because they can't see each other. BTAs are a good option, but he tentacles of a BTA are typically not dense enough to make it hard for the clowns to see one another.

Better options are H. magnifica and S. gigantea as both species have lots of tentacles that are more densely packed than other nems. Assuming the clowns you'd like to keep are either percula or ocellaris, both of the nems are natural hosts, so the fish should dive in instantly and will remain bonded.

I have a 60 gallon tank (that's part of a 100 gallon system) that has seven gigantea and at one point had 16 Picassos. I recently gave them away to make room for new babies (I'm ramping up my breeding rack again) but during that time, they all managed to live together and all surprisingly grew to approximately the same size. The tank is "wall-to-wall carpet" and for the reasons explained above, it worked as well as it did.
 
You're eventually going to find someone who says it will work. It typically doesn't. The problem is that clowns have their own personalities. I have a female perc that has a brain meltdown every so often and she kills her mate. It happened twice already. That's just how clowns are, and this behavior doesn't change when they're put in large groups -- it may even elevate this type of behavior because it's most likely increases stress levels of all of the fish. It also not a natural environment. In the ocean, we may see a dominant female, a male, and a few subordinates, but not a harem where all of the fish are from the same clutch or are the same size.

If you really want to give it a shot, go with a larger tank, primarily because you can house more anemones (more on this in a moment). I think a 34 gallon tank is too small; it's simply not enough space for the inhabitants but also the type of filtration you'll need to keep parameters in check given the high bio-load.

The reason that you want to have a lot of anemones is so the clowns can literally get lost in them. Aggression is minimized because they can't see each other. BTAs are a good option, but he tentacles of a BTA are typically not dense enough to make it hard for the clowns to see one another.

Better options are H. magnifica and S. gigantea as both species have lots of tentacles that are more densely packed than other nems. Assuming the clowns you'd like to keep are either percula or ocellaris, both of the nems are natural hosts, so the fish should dive in instantly and will remain bonded.

I have a 60 gallon tank (that's part of a 100 gallon system) that has seven gigantea and at one point had 16 Picassos. I recently gave them away to make room for new babies (I'm ramping up my breeding rack again) but during that time, they all managed to live together and all surprisingly grew to approximately the same size. The tank is "wall-to-wall carpet" and for the reasons explained above, it worked as well as it did.
Do you have pictures of this tank?!? It sounds amazing!
 

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