Clownfish in quarantine with white spots! Help!

[Dierker0000]

So I have 2 clownfish in quarantine. I live in Canada so cannot get copper. I have been using paraguard and am on at least my 10th day treating with it dosing daily as it says. My clownfish seemed to develop a few white spots that later disappeared. About a week later they are back and way worse. They appear as little fuzzy white dots. Sure it is Ich. What should I do? Temp is 82 now. Little guy is covered in these spots I’ll try to get a picture. Do I continue normal quarantine or? Freshwater dip? Thanks! Also with a fish only do I even need a quarantine. Can’t i just dose paraguard right into my main tank for new fish or when some show symptoms. I also have ruby rally.

 

[Dierker0000]

Fish are still active and are eating but the little one has quite a few spots. Thanks. Also looks like his slime coat has created a layer to fight the parasite?

 

[Dom]

That doesn't look like ICH. They look like flukes. I'd do a free water dip to see if they fall off.

 

[Mjrenz]

I'm thinking that they may have brooklynella, does it look almost like the skin is sloughing off?

 

[Dom]

I'm thinking that they may have brooklynella, does it look almost like the skin is sloughing off?

I wish I could be of more help. You should post this in the fish disease diagnosis and treatment forum.

I believe (but am not certain) that what you are describing comes in the later stages of brook.

 

[thegreyanenome]

Fish are still active and are eating but the little one has quite a few spots. Thanks. Also looks like his slime coat has created a layer to fight the parasite?

you could try a wrasse, they might clean up the clowns for you if the spots are external

 

[Mjrenz]

I'm really thinking brook, use your ruby reef rally and give them a 90 minute bath and then transfer them to a new sterile QT tank, don't use anything from the tank they are in now
https://humble.fish/acriflavine/
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Also follow the advice of these people as soon as they see this and weigh in
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[HotRocks]

This is a tough one. It could be Brook, but doesn't look like Brook in the pics.

I would do FW dip and rally bath. See if anything comes off in the dip.

 

[Lasse]

develop a few white spots that later disappeared. About a week later they are back and way worse.

My bold - does brook act this way?

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Lasse]

I have been using paraguard and am on at least my 10th day treating with it dosing daily as it says.

Can´t flukes be counted out?

Sincerely Lasse

 

[HotRocks]

My bold - does brook act this way?

Sincerely Lasse

Usually, I would say not. It resembles the life cycle of ich.

Typically though, ich doesn't show up on clowns.

 

[Lasse]

The only ich I ever have had was on two Clowns - TTM fixed that.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[ngoodermuth]

I don’t think it looks like ich, brook, or flukes in the photos... more like a bad case of lympho or something viral/ bacterial.

Doesn’t vibrio sometimes start out sort of like ich spots?

I agree, freshwater dip and rally bath. Since you are in Canada I’m assuming you can’t get antibiotics? I think it would be a good idea to source some to have on hand, just in case, if you are able.

If not, the rally has antimicrobial properties so helpfully between that and good nutrition they can fight it off :/

 

[Dom]

Usually, I would say not. It resembles the life cycle of ich.

Typically though, ich doesn't show up on clowns.

Doesn't the number and shape rule out ICH? I thought ICH tended fewer and more uniform in size...

 

[4FordFamily]

I am pretty certain you have a viral issue such as severe lymph but based on the spots on the top half of the fish brook is also possible. I’d treat for brook and ich/velvet to be sure, and hope lymph doesn’t grow over the gills or mouth before clearing up.

 

[Lasse]

Manny diseases can show up atypical symptoms, symptoms not normally shown. IME – it is very common in diseases caused of external parasites that fish show up atypical indications. Probably it depends on strain of parasite, host response and other factors. The only way to know exactly in this case is to take a sample of the skin and analyse under the microscope. Even then, it can be difficult to distinguish between primary and secondary pathogens. IMO – it is important to look at the whole picture, behaviour of the disease, fish behaviour, used methods and so on – not only looking on a picture. This can be (I´m not saying it is!) a primary infection of ich followed of host response and/or a secondary infection of some other microorganism forming this for ich atypical visual indications. Every fish is different, every parasite is different, every water is different, every microbial sub population is different – with other words – everything is different.

If it has been my fishes – I would do an antiseptic bath (I think that rally is that- correct me if I´m wrong) followed of a TTM. TTM can be done in a easy way with help of two 10 – 20 litres bucket and two small powerheads. Prepare both buckets with 50% new water and 50 % from the DT. Let the powerhead circulate. Put the fishes in bucket 1. Cover – it should be dark. Next day (day2) transfer only the fishes to bucket 2 - clean bucket 1 and powerhead 1 – fill up with 50/50 water again. Day 3 – net the fishes and put them in the bucket 1 again, clean and prepare bucket 2 and so on for 7 – 10 days. Do not feed, keep them dark. If needed – bath antiseptic between the transfers.

Use the information you get in this thread and decide the pathway you will take – but do not forget to comeback and tell how you did and how it ended. We can all learn of other experiences

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Lasse]

Excuse me - Forgot the obvious question – was the symptoms the same in the first outbreak?

Sincerely Lasse