Clownfish trying to host gonipora

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Here's my red goni after a pair of black clowns lived in it. You can see the skeleton of the coral where it is dead. I removed the clowns at night. Used a net and low light. You have to be quick before they wake up from the light.
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FWIW, I have had my clowns host torches, GSP, hammmer corals, leathers, and almost anything with a decent legth polyp, It has been my experience that anytime the clown hosts a coral with a hard skeleton, the coral gets literally beat to death. I would move the Goni to a place the clown will not go or isolate the coral to give it time to acclimate.

I have had similar experiences over the years. While sometimes it does work (keeping in mind that for every success there are far more failures), more often than not the coral will die. It only takes one small cut and lps get brown jelly and die. Up to each person if chancing the coral is worth it.
 
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Just a little update, my clowns had eventually left my Goni alone I assume from it never opening and now they seem to like zoas which is fine as they stay open,
The Goni has since opened up half way ish I then elevated my nitrates to around 10ppm, and it is opening more and more!
Maybe my nitrates was also too low for the Goni at 0.25-0.5
 
That’s awesome! I love for clowns to host corals they aren’t suppose to.

I’ve seen them in just about everything tbh. Clams, Duncan’s, acros, Euphyllia, zoas and gonis. I think it just would have taking time for the coral to get use to it.
 
Warning: I've got a bit of a chip on my shoulder, Goni's are one if not my favorite genus and one I studied academically (in undergrad) for a short time.

IMO there is a lot of really poor advice and anecdotes in this thread. :rolleyes: "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" just because someone has had a goni for 5 months and their clowns haven't killed it yet is not a strong case for long term success with this species.

Goniopora stokesi did not earn its reputation for nothing. If you look for threads here or elsewhere from even just a few years ago you'll see verbiage along the lines of "the expert that can successfully keep goniopora for 12+ months stands as a testament to the keepers skill" Now we have come a long way in the last few years with this species which I think gives less experienced reefers the wrong impression. Goniopora are difficult to keep long term but for different reasons than many other difficult corals. If you look at any of the academic/scientific literature you'll see reports of goniopora successfully growing in conditions that would kill it almost overnight in a reef tank. These are not SPS that will RTN the first time your ALK drops too low, or when temps rise a little too quickly. They are incredibly hardy in the wild, but in general do poorly in captivity, and we're beginning to understand why. They seem to be more susceptible/predisposed to pathogens possibly due to lipid peroxidation, protein degradation and DNA damage.

Goniopora have had a history of being susceptible to brown jelly disease and a whole host of other pathogens and they seem to decline in one of two ways in home aquaria:

1. physical damage that leads to secondary bacterial/protozoan infection (quick demise)
2. longer term decline in health due to poor nutrition, some missing "x-factor" that we have not determined (it may in part due to a lack of antioxidant enzyme production)

In my studies I as never able to keep a goniopora colony alive for longer than 3 months AFTER it contracted (was infiltrated?) by protozoa. Most of the colonies I received to watch/treat became infected due to physical damage/abrasion of the tissue.

So my hot take, if you want to kill a goniopora, let something rub up against it repeatedly, such as an overzealous clown fish. Granted there are always exceptions to the rule, as some of the above images seem to suggest, but I can tell you from first hand experience I had a pair of ocellaris kill a beautiful, melon sized colony of neon pink goniopora after about 18 months of the clowns constantly swimming through the polyps. All it took was a very small amount of tissue damage that was overtaken by a secondary infection. Nothing stopped it, fresh water dips, iodine dips, treating with OTC medications, nothing.

I do believe gonis can be kept successfully in the home aquarium, I think their success is dependent on two things:
1. high turbidity relative to the crystal clear water expectations we have as reefers
2. food items of appropriate size, I am a firm believer the difference between tanks where G. stokesi thrive and those who experience decline have a higher level of planktonic organisms, I do not believe photosynthesis alone is enough to properly provide for Gonioporas.

Here is a picture of my green g. stokesi colony from a week or two ago. You can see on the tips of the more mature polyps pronounced nematocysts (the stinging cells). I believe these are used both for capture of live foods but also for "chemical warfare" in the competition for space on the reef.

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very interesting information there thank you, I have read they were hard to keep long term but not in the detail you have provided,
My clowns don’t touch it now so hopefully mine will thrive for a long time
 
My ocellaris clownfish live in the Goniopora and it seems to be ok with it. They started when their usual host the Duncan further back was closed for a few days for unknown reasons. I noticed that initially the Goni would retract quickly, causing swelling around the skeleton and I was worried about it, but it has since gotten used to the clowns (took about 3 weeks) and now even when they suck on the tentacles it doesn't react at all.. I guess it depends on each clownfish but Hedges can be pretty rough too.. so it's not neccessarily a choice of one or the other, at least if they are ocellaris. My goniopora is next to a rock ledge so they can also hide between the rock and the coral so maybe thats an idea to reduce the impact somewhat if they wont leave it alone..

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Sorry to revive an old thread, but looks like my clowns are trying to do the same with my pink goni.
Noticed the behaviour yesterday, the goni is only small overall, when it's extended it looks big and awesome, but it's by no means a big skeleton. It spent most of yesterday retracting and then trying to come out only to retract again once the clown started rubbing into it.

Hopefully things ease up and they get used to each other. Would be nice for the clowns to FINALLY start playing in one of the corals (after 8 months of sitting next to overflow box/swimming around the tank). Definitely don't want the pink goni to die, was a little pricey for that one.
 
Well last year I thought the clowns were gonna kill the Goni but not so much anymore. Seems that some care and some don’t. The ones that care die quick after getting beat up. I have been lucky that all 3 enjoy the clown
 

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