Collecting fish from Hawaii?

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Ok so this is just a thought at this point but who out there have caught your own fish for your reef tank? The wife and I are going to the big island in December and agreed that catching a fish and bringing it home would be the ultimate souvenir! I'm sure I'll need some kind of expensive permit but that's ok. Anyone done this? Did you ship it back or take it in your carry on? Any info would be great, thanks!
 
My understanding is that it would be easier to smuggle a child in your luggage than to (legally) bring back a fish or coral that you captured in the wild in HI.

That said, I'm hoping you do bring back something but don't post about it on here! :)
Mohala
 
My understanding is that it would be easier to smuggle a child in your luggage than to (legally) bring back a fish or coral that you captured in the wild in HI.

That said, I'm hoping you do bring back something but don't post about it on here! :)
Mohala
I'm pretty clueless on the subject, just now doing some research. Why is it so difficult to do so legally?
 
I'm pretty clueless on the subject, just now doing some research. Why is it so difficult to do so legally?
Everybody wants to catch fish and keep coral and sand for souvenirs and the state of Hawaii has been active in the protection of their reefs. A long history of heavy collection with negative impacts before regulation has tempered the situation.

Yo Ho!
 
My wife and I used to collect reef fish off of Long Island, NY when we lived there. Great fun and different fish would show up from year to year....
How cool! Did you notice different behavior from them compared to your other fish? I've always wondered if captive bred would be calmer 'cause they only know a tank. (less jumpy). No tank yet just curious.
 
How cool! Did you notice different behavior from them compared to your other fish? I've always wondered if captive bred would be calmer 'cause they only know a tank. (less jumpy). No tank yet just curious.

Not so much, but I was doing this 20-30 years ago when everything in a marine aquarium was wild caught. One plus was that the fish went straight from the ocean to my tank, so no weeks of shipping and being starved.
 
Kris, That's what I initially assumed but according to this site it is perfectly legal to take reef fish home with you. Do you know for a fact that this is incorrect?

What do they actually permit is the better question, and I glanced at the regulations and was surprised that they allow hand netting, slurp guns etc for aquarium collection. The fine print:
Look at the size limits, look at the net restrictions, look at where you will be on vacation and see if you will be going to a place where you can fish and you should be good once you have obtained the permits. I'm not sure where you have to go to purchase a permit or if that can be done online?

Then you have to catch the fish, with the right-sized gear, get it onto the shore, and keep it alive for the rest of the trip. You'll have to go through airport security and if you get the wrong screener you may have significant issues getting live stuff on the plane. (Ask me how I know).

Then, when you get home if your fish is still alive you will see the same fish at the LFS for $50.00 less than you paid for the permit.

No recovery of your vacation time.

Unless you are totally up for a collection vacation as the focus of your travel then I would spend the money on postcards and let someone else hassle with collection and transport to your home town.
Otherwise, If you just collect live rock that is not going to die on the way home and I'd recommend that kind of souvenir. That said, I don't think you can collect live rocks legally, but maybe that law has changed also? The idea is that deadweight is a lot easier to carry than a live fish taken off a reef and placed into a tiny container. What's she going to think when the fish dies on the way home?

I'm not trying to discourage you as much as inform you. I fish a lot and catch little but I like to fish. I would not go fishing on a vacation to Hawaii when I could be snorkeling or diving over the same limited time. HTh! :)

Have FUN on vacation! Umbrella drinks, swim, lay around, check out the stars at night, relaxing is an art America is forgetting.
 
Everybody wants to catch fish and keep coral and sand for souvenirs and the state of Hawaii has been active in the protection of their reefs. A long history of heavy collection with negative impacts before regulation has tempered the situation.

Yo Ho!
If you're not going to cite any information, then please don't try to spread disinformation. You are right in some aspects, the regulations on the collection of sand and the likes have been strengthen in recent years. https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2013/title-13/chapter-205a/section-205a-44/
Coral collecting has an absolute blanket ban (you can find some "legal" "corals" such as zoanthids sold in stores though).
However, it isn't particularly difficult to bring fish from Hawaii to the US mainland.
If you are going to attempt this though, I'd recommend you to do your own research and maybe even email the DLNR. I don't recommend taking a stranger's word on the internet, even mine. Laws in regards to Hawaiian natural resources have many myths - such as the myth that catching the state humu fish is illegal (simply false). If you look at the link another user posted, you don't even need a permit if you use equipment such as a hand net. I have personally caught fish in Hawaii before, albeit I never exported them outside the state. I used to even have a recreational permit for it (I didn't even need one technically because I didn't use nets that required the use). I have not read too much into the matter ever since the series of collection bans (from my understanding these restrictions are mainly on commercial aquarium fisherman, but please do your own research), so I can't tell you what exactly has changed for the recreational fisherman. I highly recommend you email the dlnr if you want to do this. If you are using a hand net, some fish are simply impossible to catch from my experience, but that might just be me (anthias and tangs). Certain fishes can be easy in particular situations (snowball damsels, moray eels). And other fishes are way too easy if you know what you are doing (filefish, triggerfish, pufferfish).
Highly recommend you to contact the regulators themselves(dlnr)! They also DO enforce the laws, I know many people who have been caught for undersized fish (for food consumption of course). Oh yes, there are certain fishes that have size regulations and aquarium fishers have to follow the exact same rules for them (convict tang for example). This means that even though there will be times during the breeding season where hundreds of tiny baby convict tangs appear and it is very easy to catch, you are not allowed to! Certain fish such as the raccoon fish are very common in tidepools as fry sand therefore easy to catch during the breeding season, I don't recommend collecting them because they are highly unlikely to eat in an aquarium early on (this goes with most fish that are very young).
 
What do they actually permit is the better question, and I glanced at the regulations and was surprised that they allow hand netting, slurp guns etc for aquarium collection. The fine print:
Look at the size limits, look at the net restrictions, look at where you will be on vacation and see if you will be going to a place where you can fish and you should be good once you have obtained the permits. I'm not sure where you have to go to purchase a permit or if that can be done online?

Then you have to catch the fish, with the right-sized gear, get it onto the shore, and keep it alive for the rest of the trip. You'll have to go through airport security and if you get the wrong screener you may have significant issues getting live stuff on the plane. (Ask me how I know).

Then, when you get home if your fish is still alive you will see the same fish at the LFS for $50.00 less than you paid for the permit.

No recovery of your vacation time.

Unless you are totally up for a collection vacation as the focus of your travel then I would spend the money on postcards and let someone else hassle with collection and transport to your home town.
Otherwise, If you just collect live rock that is not going to die on the way home and I'd recommend that kind of souvenir. That said, I don't think you can collect live rocks legally, but maybe that law has changed also? The idea is that deadweight is a lot easier to carry than a live fish taken off a reef and placed into a tiny container. What's she going to think when the fish dies on the way home?

I'm not trying to discourage you as much as inform you. I fish a lot and catch little but I like to fish. I would not go fishing on a vacation to Hawaii when I could be snorkeling or diving over the same limited time. HTh! :)

Have FUN on vacation! Umbrella drinks, swim, lay around, check out the stars at night, relaxing is an art America is forgetting.
Again, live rock is completely illegal to collect so please don't recommend something without knowing what you are talking about. If this person was to go to Oahu, I could however say that you can get aquacultured live rock (only way to get legal live rock in Hawaii)
 
If you're not going to cite any information, then please don't try to spread disinformation. You are right in some aspects, the regulations on the collection of sand and the likes have been strengthen in recent years. https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2013/title-13/chapter-205a/section-205a-44/
Coral collecting has an absolute blanket ban (you can find some "legal" "corals" such as zoanthids sold in stores though).
However, it isn't particularly difficult to bring fish from Hawaii to the US mainland.
If you are going to attempt this though, I'd recommend you to do your own research and maybe even email the DLNR. I don't recommend taking a stranger's word on the internet, even mine. Laws in regards to Hawaiian natural resources have many myths - such as the myth that catching the state humu fish is illegal (simply false). If you look at the link another user posted, you don't even need a permit if you use equipment such as a hand net. I have personally caught fish in Hawaii before, albeit I never exported them outside the state. I used to even have a recreational permit for it (I didn't even need one technically because I didn't use nets that required the use). I have not read too much into the matter ever since the series of collection bans (from my understanding these restrictions are mainly on commercial aquarium fisherman, but please do your own research), so I can't tell you what exactly has changed for the recreational fisherman. I highly recommend you email the dlnr if you want to do this. If you are using a hand net, some fish are simply impossible to catch from my experience, but that might just be me (anthias and tangs). Certain fishes can be easy in particular situations (snowball damsels, moray eels). And other fishes are way too easy if you know what you are doing (filefish, triggerfish, pufferfish).
Highly recommend you to contact the regulators themselves(dlnr)! They also DO enforce the laws, I know many people who have been caught for undersized fish (for food consumption of course). Oh yes, there are certain fishes that have size regulations and aquarium fishers have to follow the exact same rules for them (convict tang for example). This means that even though there will be times during the breeding season where hundreds of tiny baby convict tangs appear and it is very easy to catch, you are not allowed to! Certain fish such as the raccoon fish are very common in tidepools as fry sand therefore easy to catch during the breeding season, I don't recommend collecting them because they are highly unlikely to eat in an aquarium early on (this goes with most fish that are very young).


I actually agree with this 99.98%

But you need to learn how to translate "Yo Ho" to understand what I was trying to say. The devil is in the details.
Again, 99.98% agreement, except that both the State Laws & the Pirates Code "is more like Guidelines."
 
You can always "go for it" just dont be surprised when you get to the airport and either your told to throw it away or get stopped and questioned by security and the Hawaii fwc then, miss your flight and have to rebook at your own expense, maybe even arrested or fined. You may possibly even simply get away with it.


Just a few more things to ponder.
 
Yeah thats the bigger concern to be honest, with the TSA, you never know whats going to happen even if you are following the laws. You could ship it from Hawaii, but thats $$$.
 
You can always "go for it" just dont be surprised when you get to the airport and either your told to throw it away or get stopped and questioned by security and the Hawaii fwc then, miss your flight and have to rebook at your own expense, maybe even arrested or fined. You may possibly even simply get away with it.


Just a few more things to ponder.
I've carried live aquatics onboard a few times; usually the (TSA) is more concerned if something in the liquid is alive and swimming and therefore less likely to be explosive or whatever
 
Interesting. Well I really appreciate all of your advice! I was wondering about bringing liquids on an airplane but that makes sense that if something is alive in it then they shouldn't be worried about it (fingers crossed). Any tips for transporting the fish? Like how much water and should I have a battery powered air stone (I know companies don't ship fish with air stones but I'd be worried about oxygen).
 
Your issue will be more volume than weight. You might wanna get a 1 or 2L plastic bottle, cut the top off, save top.....use the plastic bottle as puncture proofing for your bags-o-fish....Dbl bag w/LOTS of air (1:3 or 1:4) ...
I wouldn't waste the effort on using air for anything less than 24hrs as you should be able to bag enough... depending on the species rarity/value; you may wanna take a change of water just in case however
 

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