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Hello. Recently I was informed from a leading professor at MACNA on youtube that the best practice in keeping a successful reef tank is to not perform any water changes. How are people succeeding with this? Can someone with extensive knowledge please chime in here. I have a reef octopus 6000 ext rated for 600 gallons on my 300 gallon system but yet my nitrates keep climbing. I dont get much skimmate from it and am wondering if it doesnt need replaced with a higher end skimmer. I have heard that the height of the neck has a lot to do with its performance. I looked up reeflife skimmers and heard good reviews on them. Have to say I'm rather frustrated lately with my tank because I have not had much growth with anything lately. I have a war coral that is dying but yet my frogspawn keeps growing. I have xenia that have not shown any growth since putting them in 2 years ago. The nitrates are the only parameter that is off. Everything else is perfect. Just need advice on the relationship between doing water changes and a good skimmer. Thanks for any advice.
 
tagging along on this one.
 
no possible consensus avail on this one, I had a prof tell me skimmers were the only thing keeping reef tanks alive. they do the best with the details they have, and agreed stasis is important for reef tanks but whether or not that's exclusive to being best and is managed by not changing water is debated in large threads. in the end, you have success in both ways.

That prof's tank isn't as old as Paul B's though, who uses a totally opposite approach, so right off the bat im asking for more proof from him about it being good for all tanks. get a tank out 44 yrs on no wc, make new ground.

17 yrs running largest threads on all forums that get no consensus:

UV or no UV use on a reef tank

which salt brand to run, is best

sand bed or no sand bed, the implications.

should we be putting rotten shrimp in tanks that use fully cured live rocks to add bacteria to those rocks

if you arrange plants in X fashion, it will cure every invader known
 
You have two questions it seems like to me... the below is MHO and not a general consensus.

1st not performing water change and having a successful reef tank, sounds like either balling method or triton method noted below.

Exactly what is so difficult in producing equivalent water, similar to seawater, for a reef aquarium? Low phosphate and nitrate values are not decisive factors in the quality of aquarium water. A perfect magnesium or calcium content perhaps? Far from it – the challenge lies in imitating the parameters that prevail in the ocean to the greatest extent possible and keeping them at a constant level. One often finds aquaria with values that are significantly different than seawater, but nevertheless contain beautiful coral, due to the constancy factor alone. In this case, the coral has adapted to prevailing conditions; an animal environment that approximates the natural habitat, however, cannot be said to exist. Which water treatment methods were used in the past? Until now, weekly water changes have been required in order to add all materials to the water considered necessary for optimum coral maintenance and to eliminate any excessive doses. This approach quickly encountered limitations, since it failed to work especially in cases of high coral density. So devices such as calcium reactors were added or the balling method was used for basic supply of the major consumable elements – calcium, magnesium and bicarbonate. Since in these cases, however, the necessary trace elements and amino acids were missing, they were added according to the size of the aquarium. Why are the previous methods risky? Every aquarium is different in terms of the number and composition of animals. This is also true with respect to the need and consumption of materials found in the water. So it is not as simple as creating a standard mixture of elements deemed necessary purely on the basis of the liter capacity of the aquarium. The previous methods enumerated calculate possible excessive dosage from the start; the water changes are an attempt to restore balance. A high risk, that is not only complicated and tedious, but very prone to error. Excessive dosage residue remains despite water changes and results in fluctuating water values – a serious stress factor and danger for the animals. Exactly what is different about the TRITON method? The TRITON method takes a completely different approach. TRITON imitates the quality that best approximates saltwater and keeps it constant over the long term without the need for water changes.

the 2nd and more challenging is the relationship between doing water changes and a good skimmer.

It's good to have one to help remove dissolved organics for the times between water changes, however this is limited by trapped and decomposing organics in the nooks and crannies of both your substrate (if you have one) and rock. I have an external 3000ext (on the 390 gallon system) and up till recently was unimpressed, that's when I decided to increase the pump size feeding the skimmer and now I can't keep up with the foam it's making. Not stating that's what's going on with your system, just my personal observation. I don't have NO3 issue or PO4 issues, in fact they're IMHO too low to support organisms that require trace amount of either and is why I started dosing KNO3, still on the fence about additives for PO4.

I don't do water changes on my 170gallon system but, I do add trace elements via fauna marin Balling Light and have seen better growth since I starting, before that water changes did nothing to help my tank out but did wonders for growing GHA issue (gone over the course of a few months after I stop doing WC), assuming (as I have no proof) I was removing/killing good bacteria as my WC parameters might have not been matched 100% exactly.

In fact I'll post up another question... with the investment manufactures have made to improvements in new skimmer design and pumps on the market today, could they be pulling out too much? Like you noted "I looked up reeflife skimmers and heard good reviews on them" this is IMO a less efficient spray injection skimmer by today's standard but they work well and everyone that has one has nothing but high praise for them. Why is that, could it be that they're leaving behind just enough organics to be helpful?

Not to add even more confusion but, methods like zeovit also "recommends" not using pin-wheel type skimmers as they pull too much organics out of the water column.

I'm theorizing as I have no conclusive proof, standard WC in the area of 15%-25% destabilize our systems removing both good and bad, smaller WC are better and replace needed trace elements but, with the invent of systems like Fauna Marin Balling Light and TRITON might no longer be needed or required. They flipside to that is you need to really understand what's in your tank or it can go south on you quickly.
 
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Hello. Recently I was informed from a leading professor at MACNA on youtube that the best practice in keeping a successful reef tank is to not perform any water changes. How are people succeeding with this? .

It is possible to keep a nice reef tank with few or no water changes. I don't think there are many who would say it is a best practice. It is just one of a variety of ways. If you are using a good salt mix, not many people thing that such water changes make the tank worse (which is what a best practice of no water changes would imply).

That said, you can't usually just stop doing water changes without doing something else to do the things water changes accomplish. That can mean dosing a wider variety of elements, and, optimally, keeping track of the concentrations in the tank. It can also mean being more careful how to deal with organic matter that accumulates, elements that accumulate, issues relating to elements that we do not usually measure (such as the chloride/sulfate ratio) and a few other topics.
 
It depends on the tank a newly set up tank is not a stable enough environment to have a balanced system. I know many hobbyist around the world who have been able to keep wonderful aquariums with out water changes. If one spends time and effort reading German and Dutch forums you will see that many hobbyist in those countries have been learning what corals need and find that with proper dosing of elements at the amount that corals need at that time water changes are not needed. They are finding that water changes will not keep up with the take up of corals as they grow as to the amount of various elements in the water. Just as we learned that we could not keep up with calcium up take with just a water change years ago. I think going forward as we learn more about how corals use the various elements in salt water to grow and thrive this will become a more common practice here in the US.
 
I appreciate all the useful information. It sounds like I might try a bigger pump for my skimmer. I currently have a rio 2500 rated at 750 gph feeding it. I have a larger pump and will see if that makes any difference. Being I am still learning about corals, I will be safe and go along with the consensus of doing water changes. Again, thanks for all the replies.
 
Your skimmer is probably over sized. A properly sized skimmer will out skim a over sized skimmer any day. If the neck diameter of your skimmer is to large it wont be able to skim because your tank wont be able to build up enough organics for a foam head to properly form. I use to run a 300g skimmer on my 120g system and I barely got any skim. Switched to a skimmer that is just the right size (much smaller) and it runs circles around my old skimmer.
 
How long does that professor have his tank running? If it is a number of years, not just 5 or 6, then he would seem correct. There are plenty of beautiful tanks that go on for years with no water changes and some that change water every five minutes. I do think that most people change far to much water but I don't think it will hurt much. I also know that new tanks with all new water look lousy and are the most un-healthy. That is something to think about. I myself don't have any schedules but I think I change about 100 gallons of water in my 100 gallon tank a year. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I don't see a problem if your livestock is living and growing fine. Of course much of it depends on how much life you have in the system and what you feed. All of my paired fish are spawning and to keep that happening, I have to overfeed. That doesn't make the corals happy so I do need to change some water. Not to much, but some. Of course, I never tried to go 10 or 15 years with no changes so I can't say if that would work. Who knows?
 
IMHO the professor is correct.

By balancing out and stabilizing the tank with plant life and some dosing for things like cal, alk, mag water changes are at best unneeded and at worse detrimental.

Besides what happens in any closed environment is the parameters will build up to where parameter changes between water changes are removed by the water change. So a 1/10 water change results in 10 time the build between water changes. 1/20 20 times, 1/3 three times and so on.

But then I'm not a professor so my ideas are worth at most.

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Technically I can accept that WCs can be eliminated - but practically - I will continue to do them primarily because I cannot test for every possible contaminant that I *may* be inadvertanly building up in my system.

Even the most through testing regimines can only check a small set of the possibilities...
 
Imho and from my experiences on various fw, marine, and reef message boards:

It is much easier to maintain tank with no water changes than for posters to accept that is possible.








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