Copper in kalkwasser water?

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Hi!

I have been hunting for the source of copper in my tank for a while now. Triton is showing about 9ppb copper in my tank, and having just got the Hanna checker I've been testing all sorts of things to try to figure out where it might be coming from.

Tank - 0.19 ppm
Ro/Di - 0 ppm
Kalk topoff water (Dr Fosters & Smith brand) - 0.04 ppm

Is that a normal amount? Could my kalk power be contaminated? I store the bucket in the garage, where it's closed from the air/etc.

Is the high PH of the topoff water possibly throwing off the Hanna chemistry? The water I tested was also a _tiny_ bit cloudy as kalk water often is, though I tried to get the clearest water I could.
 
How did you measure the limewater? Kit or icp?

Did you let it settle? Settled limewater should not have that much cooper in it, even if you try to add copper. It precipitates out.
 
I got alerted to the copper in my tank via a triton test.

https://www.triton-lab.de/showroom/aquarium/auswertung-b/icp-oes/58947/

I then purchased a Hanna High Range copper checker, since I didn't want to spend the money on all the ICP tests and since the range is at the low end of what the checker can detect. It detects it in my tank.

I use RO/DI, and I've recently replaced the membrane and filters. It shows 0 TDS and 0 copper from testing in the RODI tank.

I grabbed some settled water out of my top off after it had been in there for a day, though I do use an Osmolator so it does top off from the bottom where there is likely to be some muck from the kalk.. the water is what I found copper in (0.04ppm).

I've replaced my heater and I've checked all my pumps and found nothing corroding, which is why I'm digging deeper trying to find my copper (and tin).
 
Should I run some limewater through a coffee filter to try to clear it up and test again with the hanna checker? It was ever so slightly cloudy when I pulled it out of my top off tank.

-edit-

I should point out that this is NOT saturated limewater. It's just enough to keep things stable in my tank. Acros are all doing fine. Snails have been dying though.
 
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I grabbed some settled water out of my top off after it had been in there for a day, though I do use an Osmolator so it does top off from the bottom where there is likely to be some muck from the kalk.. the water is what I found copper in (0.04ppm).

By what method? If a kit, it may not be accurate.

Was it food grade lime? Perhaps switch to a different brand if you think it the source. It is not normally a big source.

This is from my copper in limewater article, where lime precipitated copper, not added it :

Chemistry And The Aquarium: Metals In Limewater ? Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog
https://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/5/chemistry

Precipitation of Copper from Limewater: Experimental Results
The fact that a number of aquarists have reported blue precipitates in their limewater residue suggested to me that there may be something more to this story. Sure, they could have been using especially impure lime, or had especially impure source water. Nevertheless, it was easy enough for me to run some experiments to see what was really happening. In all of the experiments to follow, I monitored copper concentrations using a modern analytical lab technique: Inductively Coupled Plasma (ICP) using atomic emission detection. I used two different emission peaks (324.754 and 327.395 nm).

To start, I made a solution of 1.0 ppm copper as copper sulfate (ACS reagent grade) in deionized water (700 mL). It had no detectable color by eye. When this sample was analyzed by ICP, it had an easily quantified set of emission peaks for copper, and this emission intensity was used as a standard (1.0 ppm).

To this solution I added 2.4 grams of calcium hydroxide (ACS Reagent Grade) and stirred it on a magnetic stirrer for 1 hour. This amount of lime is far more than necessary to saturate this solution (which would take just over 1 g of Ca(OH)2). The solution then settled for 24 hours, and a slightly cloudy sample was removed. This sample was analyzed and found to contain 340 ppb copper before filtration and 133 ppb copper after filtration through a 0.45mm polypropylene syringe filter. The value of 133 ppm copper represents a droop of 87% in the copper concentration.

The original solution was allowed to continue settling for 6 days total, and another sample was withdrawn. This sample was found to contain 160 ppm copper before filtration and 125 ppm copper after filtration through a 0.45mm polypropylene syringe filter.

Additional calcium hydroxide was added to the original solution (2 g/600 mL), the solution was stirred for an hour, and the solution was allowed to settle for 24 hours. This sample was found to contain 33 ppb copper before filtration and 25 ppb copper after filtration through a 0.45mm polypropylene syringe filter. The value of 25 ppb copper represents a drop of 80% from the 125 ppm copper solution just before this second lime addition, and a total drop of 97.5% from the initial copper sulfate solution.

As a control, I tested a solution of calcium hydroxide (2 g/50 mL of deionized water) without any copper sulfate added. In analyzing this sample, I could detect no real signal from copper, either before or after filtering. This result implies that the “natural” copper concentration in these samples is below about 10 ppb.
 
it claims +/- 0.05 ppm. 0.04 ppm could easily be none.

;Facepalm I missed that when I was reading the data sheet. I'll keep digging. So far I haven't had any coral deaths from the tin & copper, but it's only a matter of time since the copper has been creeping up. I got excited when I found copper in something that I dose every day since I've not been able to figure out another source.
 
I was worried since I have been running triton tests for a while, and copper only started to show up in the last two.

It was 0 on 8/17
2.053 ug/L on 9/15
(I added cuprisorb in my filter socks)
9.503 ug/L on 12/8

I was worried since it has been trending up. I'll review your article on sources!

-edit- I did start dosing Pax Bellum nitrate and iron. I wonder if their chemicals have a high amount of copper in them.

Pax Bellum Nitrogen + Molybdenum
Pax Bellum Iron + Maganese

I wonder if I diluted some of each into RODI water samples that previously tested 0 and tested them if we'd find a lot of copper.
 
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For anyone following along, I took 4ml of rodi water and 1ml of the paxbellum N and Fe supplements and tested the resulting solution using my checker. 0ppm on the nitrogen, and 0.01ppm on the iron, which is well within the error range on the hanna checker.
 

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