Copper treatment not working

[brandon429]

Your reactions here Mujimran are really ideal. you're willing to get the right gear and set it up and its really nice to see. LFS don't assist the public very well in making predictions about this need, but they do have the items for sale after the fact. I wish LFS used signage or other means of communicating how dirty the fish they sell are lol

I'll have to watch others respond on the meds/best approaches here

but what I can help with: quick cycling any quarantine setup you want where free ammonia will not kill the fish that's for sure.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Noted.

One trick for the API kit - mix up five gallons of new seawater. Add exactly the right amount of Copper Power. Aerate for an hour and test. Take a picture of it over a piece of white paper. This is your target for your tank. Forget the color chart, you know this dose is correct. (Then, just use that water to do a partial change, just so you don’t waste it).
I suspect that your copper has been running too low.
Jay

 

[mujimran]

I would do as I proposed earlier. If have a fish store nearby you could be up and running in a couple hours. It’s your call though as only you know your situation. A few hours likely aren’t gonna matter but another day might for sure.

Good luck. You can remove copper later.

How To Remove Copper From DT

First of all, best practice is to NEVER dose copper in a display tank, and to use a quarantine tank. It is much easier and safer. Copper in a DT can heavily dampen your nitrogen cycle in your tank, and will leach in to your rock, substrate, and equipment. As a result, the amount of copper...

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Had work all day so couldn’t run to lfs.

I added more Cu after my post earlier and within 20mts the flame angel came back from the dead. Yay!

 

[mujimran]

Had work all day so couldn’t run to lfs.

I added more Cu after my post earlier and within 20mts the flame angel came back from the dead. Yay!

Had work all day so couldn’t run to lfs.

I added more Cu after my post earlier and within 20mts the flame angel came back from the dead. Yay!ai do have a 10g tank but

 

[mujimran]

Flame angel died

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Flame angel died

I didn't want to say it yesterday, but copper doesn't work that fast. I suspect that the flame angel just got a temporary "boost" of energy from you working around the tank. Sorry.....

Jay

 

[ctopherl]

If you are desperate you can also try hydrogen peroxide dosing, although it is still experimental. I would say risks are lower for you though without inverts or corals to potentially harm.

How To - Peroxide (H2O2) dosing for parasites in reef tank

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[mujimran]

Noted. At this point the rest of the fishes are doing fine. Had moved them to a container so no rocks or sand to absorb. Going to leave the display tank empty for a month to get rid of all ich and the eggs etc

 

[Rubberfrog]

Noted. At this point the rest of the fishes are doing fine. Had moved them to a container so no rocks or sand to absorb. Going to leave the display tank empty for a month to get rid of all ich and the eggs etc

It takes more than a month

 

[Gtinnel]

Generally fallow is for 76 days.

 

[Sleeping Giant]

should I remove the rocks too? Maybe later I can add them back once the copper completely removes from the rock. I got cuprisorb for copper removal later

The rocks should have been removed before using copper

 

[vetteguy53081]

Not a month but generally 1-2 weeks as long as youre at therapuetic level and as indicated, a reliable test kit is of importance to monitor levels. Coppersafe would be my choice.
he reason this approach takes so long is because copper only targets the free swimming stage. Again, While 7-14 days is the “norm” to reach this stage, certain strains of Marine Ich have a prolonged life cycle. Indeed, even 30 days may not be sufficient in some rare cases.
Also, always increase oxygen during ANY treatment

 

[mujimran]

Generally fallow is for 76 days.

76days? Wow!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Generally fallow is for 76 days.

Just to note. . New fallow standard is now 45-60. I would however go with higher when it comes to Velvet

 

[mujimran]

Just to note. . New fallow standard is now 45-60. I would however go with higher when it comes to Velvet

Getting the fish moved was the hard part, Will stay fallow for 60-70 days. Thats a long time though

 

[Gtinnel]

Just to note. . New fallow standard is now 45-60. I would however go with higher when it comes to Velvet

I did not know that. Any idea why it changed? It's not like the life cycle of ich has changed?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I did not know that. Any idea why it changed? It's not like the life cycle of ich has changed?

Temperature was found to play a key and raising aquarium temperature to 27C/80.6F can shorten the Ich fallow period to 6 weeks. Two studies now suggest that raising temp to 30C/86F can shorten the fallow period to just 2 weeks, but others show cooler water 76 deg can shorten their life cycle also. Confusing it is but raising temps has been successful.

 

[ctopherl]

Generally fallow is for 76 days.

This is correct, but if the tank still has therapeutic copper levels and that is maintained, then a month should be sufficient right? Remember OP was copper-dosing the DT

 

[Gtinnel]

Remember OP was copper-dosing the DT

I honestly didn't realize this was the same thread.