Copper treatment

[HotRocks]

You can do WCs as much as necessary. I don't usually have to perform any during copper unless I am combining antibiotics.

 

[ReefWithCare]

@Humblefish, what's the fastest you can go to 1.5PPM Copper Power if you have an emergency situation like Velvet? Trying to help a friend not on this site. They FW Dipped and Rally and at 1.1PPM copper right now.

 

[Humblefish]

@Humblefish, what's the fastest you can go to 1.5PPM Copper Power if you have an emergency situation like Velvet? Trying to help a friend not on this site. They FW Dipped and Rally and at 1.1PPM copper right now.

48 hrs; dose gradually (every few hours if possible) to bring it up to 1.5ppm

 

[tatas]

You can do WCs as much as necessary. I don't usually have to perform any during copper unless I am combining antibiotics.

can i combine cupramine with kanaplex?

 

[Nem0]

If i'm doing the 14 days in QT with copper, then transferring to a 2nd sterile QT, how long does the fish need to be in the 2nd QT tank for?

 

[drstardust]

If i'm doing the 14 days in QT with copper, then transferring to a 2nd sterile QT, how long does the fish need to be in the 2nd QT tank for?

Generally recommend 2 weeks. Longer is never a bad thing.

 

[RegalAngel]

Since copper treatments can be adsorbed into various filter media as well as sand, rocks in the tank....when setting up a clean QT without sand or rocks and no biofilter...except a HOB skimmer....how to treat for ammonia buildup?
Q. Are any of the copper treatments ok with Amquel or Prime?

I have a 40g water QT but have a outside power filter (ocean clear canister) and of course with the filter media it will adsorb the copper.....so if I remove the filter media with no sand/rocks...then ammonia will rise.....will prime or amquel work with one of the copper treatments???

 

[RegalAngel]

Since copper treatments can be adsorbed into various filter media as well as sand, rocks in the tank....when setting up a clean QT without sand or rocks and no biofilter...except a HOB skimmer....how to treat for ammonia buildup?
Q. Are any of the copper treatments ok with Amquel or Prime?

I have a 40g water QT but have a outside power filter (ocean clear canister) and of course with the filter media it will adsorb the copper.....so if I remove the filter media with no sand/rocks...then ammonia will rise.....will prime or amquel work with one of the copper treatments???

Evidently....YES!

PSA: PRIME safe to use with COPPER POWER

7/13/2023 Note: There is still some question in my mind about using any of the three copper products (Cupramine, Copper Power and Coppersafe) with an EXCESS of any reducing agents. These can include formalin, sodium thiosulfate, Prime or possibly even Amquel. Anything that can break the...

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[Humblefish]

The original post of this thread has been updated with new information.

 

[bzb]

Finally signed up for this site after lurking for a long time. Thanks for all the information and great documentation!

@Humblefish - on your website you say Prime is bad juju with Copper Power. A few posts up, seems like it's OK...

I'm transferring my DT remaining fish from what is probably a velvet outbreak into a 10G QT tank. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling for 5 days next week while I believe they'll be at the riskiest part in the QT, so I'll have to leave my wife with some instructions. Instead of having her try to fumble with a water change and figure all that out, I'd like to just leave her with a dose or two of Prime in case the ammonia badge goes off.

Current plan:
QT started today, HOB and small (20gph) powerhead, heater. Holding at 1.023 and HOB has ceramic media in it. Dosed with BioSpira. 9Gal is in the tank.

Tomorrow dose Copper Power to 1ppm (approximately 5.5mL). Test with Hanna.

Give three fish (all very small juveniles, two clowns and one chromis) 5 min freshwater bath, then 60 min Rally bath.

Place in QT, raising to 1.5ppm copper over next two days, then 2ppm over following two days. Then I'll have two days to monitor and adjust as needed before I leave.


Thoughts?

 

[bzb]

Finally signed up for this site after lurking for a long time. Thanks for all the information and great documentation!

@Humblefish - on your website you say Prime is bad juju with Copper Power. A few posts up, seems like it's OK...

I'm transferring my DT remaining fish from what is probably a velvet outbreak into a 10G QT tank. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling for 5 days next week while I believe they'll be at the riskiest part in the QT, so I'll have to leave my wife with some instructions. Instead of having her try to fumble with a water change and figure all that out, I'd like to just leave her with a dose or two of Prime in case the ammonia badge goes off.

Current plan:
QT started today, HOB and small (20gph) powerhead, heater. Holding at 1.023 and HOB has ceramic media in it. Dosed with BioSpira. 9Gal is in the tank.

Tomorrow dose Copper Power to 1ppm (approximately 5.5mL). Test with Hanna.

Give three fish (all very small juveniles, two clowns and one chromis) 5 min freshwater bath, then 60 min Rally bath.

Place in QT, raising to 1.5ppm copper over next two days, then 2ppm over following two days. Then I'll have two days to monitor and adjust as needed before I leave.


Thoughts?

And if I had actually clicked the link, I would have seen that you were the one who confirmed Prime is ok. Sorry!

 

[Humblefish]

And if I had actually clicked the link, I would have seen that you were the one who confirmed Prime is ok. Sorry!

New info for anyone else who reads this: PSA: PRIME safe to use with COPPER POWER

 

[ReefLab]

Regarding the 15 day transfer into a new QT. If treating prophilacticaly, would that transfer be acceptable right into the DT? Possible to transfer through two buckets of clean SW before putting into the DT to ensure no copper or parasites are being transferred.

 

[Humblefish]

Regarding the 15 day transfer into a new QT. If treating prophilacticaly, would that transfer be acceptable right into the DT? Possible to transfer through two buckets of clean SW before putting into the DT to ensure no copper or parasites are being transferred.

I don't advise that because something might have been missed. No QT protocol is 100% foolproof. It's better to observe for at least 2 weeks in a non-medicated holding tank.

 

[ReefLab]

I don't advise that because something might have been missed. No QT protocol is 100% foolproof. It's better to observe for at least 2 weeks in a non-medicated holding tank.

I observed the fish for a week before treating and didn’t notice signs of stress or ich. I’m not an expert so I decided to treat with copper to be sure.. i Was thinking of going to 20 days of treatment before transferring to DT to give a few extra days for any ich to drop off

 

[Humblefish]

I observed the fish for a week before treating and didn’t notice signs of stress or ich. I’m not an expert so I decided to treat with copper to be sure.. i Was thinking of going to 20 days of treatment before transferring to DT to give a few extra days for any ich to drop off

Have you dewormed (using Prazipro or General Cure)?

 

[ReefLab]

Have you dewormed (using Prazipro or General Cure)?

thanks for entertaining my questions

no I didnt and I wasn’t necessarily planning on it. My reasoning is the antibiotics can take a toll on their flora and I didn’t want an opportunistic pathogen to emerge from the treatment.. I’m not committed to not deworming but I’d like to ensure it doesn’t do harm to (seemingly to me) healthy fish

 

[EakTheFreak]

@Humblefish Will activated carbon remove my copper (CopperSafe) or do I have to perform water change?

 

[Humblefish]

@Humblefish Will activated carbon remove my copper (CopperSafe) or do I have to perform water change?

Carbon is not efficient at removing copper. Seachem Cuprisorb or a poly filter are two better choices.

 

[AllSignsPointToFish]

I've had good luck with carbon removing cupramine, but it is much less effective at removing other forms of copper. You can perform a water change and use a copper sponge like cuprisorb to remove residual amounts.