You want to do at least half the recommended amount on the bottle, maybe a bit less. Bring it up over the course of 4-5 days. Do you have a seachem test kit?
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You want to do at least half the recommended amount on the bottle, maybe a bit less. Bring it up over the course of 4-5 days. Do you have a seachem test kit?
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Yeah but I have a hard time reading it unless I dose the .25 and then the second amount because 1 dose brings my tank up to .25 and the second dose brings it to .5 or whatever it says on the bottle because I have a 10 gallon quaritine tank
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Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of LFS and retailers have velvet and ich, and who knows what else in their systems -- this because of the sheer volume of fish that have been in and out of their systems, and the fact that they cannot keep fish in full therapeutic levels of copper for a full thirty days before adding new to a system (they're usually one to three systems and dozens of tanks). It's not economically feesible for them to properly treat an qt fish. So, as the end user, we need to take it upon ourselves to protect and treat them. Low copper levels in LFS and Distributors will mask obvious symptoms, and occasionally paint the illusion of a parasite-free fish.
Unfortunately, there's nearly 100% chance a fish you buy these days is afflicted with ich, velvet, brook, flukes, infections, or intestinal parasites and often several of these at the same time. This was always the case but the supply chain was under heavy pressure to lower prices and the fish are suffering. We can say we don't like it but we are almost ALL cheap and to some degree responsible. Velvet has also become exponentially more common that it used to be, every bit as common as ich IMO, IME.
So, cheaper fish but their survival rates are often more abysmal, and now the pressure is on us to properly quarantine and preventatively treat our incoming fish. Proper quarantine and treatment isn't risky, it's a lack of knowledge that causes QT deaths. I have had exponentially better success with ALL fish since abandoning "ich management" techniques and treating everyone before they go in to the DT.
Unfortunately, there's nearly 100% chance a fish you buy these days is afflicted with ich, velvet, brook, flukes, infections, or intestinal parasites and often several of these at the same time. This was always the case but the supply chain was under heavy pressure to lower prices and the fish are suffering. We can say we don't like it but we are almost ALL cheap and to some degree responsible. Velvet has also become exponentially more common that it used to be, every bit as common as ich IMO, IME.
So, cheaper fish but their survival rates are often more abysmal, and now the pressure is on us to properly quarantine and preventatively treat our incoming fish. Proper quarantine and treatment isn't risky, it's a lack of knowledge that causes QT deaths. I have had exponentially better success with ALL fish since abandoning "ich management" techniques and treating everyone before they go in to the DT.
I had a regal angel and four wrasses in my tank. I brought it up to .2 the first day, and an additional .1 each day after until it got to .5 and only one fish had a little trouble (a finicky flame wrasse) I brought it back down to .4 and he did better, and eventually back to .5 and he's fine now.
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Yeah I quaritine everything and I have cupramine copper and it says to dose 20 drops per 10.5 gallons and my tank is a 13 gallon tank and then it says wait 48 hours and dose 20 more drops to bring it to a final concentration of 0.5 so will i be fine dosing like the bottle says to since I have prazipro treatment in the tank and since butterfly fish are sensitive or what should I do
Yes! This particular LFS is quite large, and I've seen signs of quite a few issues in their tanks :/ They move fish in days to a week or two tops. So, all the fish that "look" healthy, end up not so much after a couple of weeks in a non-medicated tank. Copper was at .25-.3 the last time I "tested" their water...
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I wonder if I can start this copper at .25 for this butterfly fish because I could just put 20 drops in the tank and then in another 48 hours I could dose it again and bring it to .5 or tomorrow i could add 10 drops and the next day add 10 more drops to get to .5 so I don't know what to do because of it being a butterfly fish and because of treating the prazipro treatment
I would add 10 drops to start, then 5 more each morning and night (after testing the current level) until you reach .5. But, that's just how I would do it.
I bought a fish and tested the water in the bag. This was a few months ago, though. Two of the four I bought there recently didn't make it out of QT. One died mysteriously the first night, the other died after several weeks of trying to treat a bad bacterial infection. The other two are still with me.
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That's crazy and so you would drop 10 drops right now and then wait until tomorrow morning and drop 5 drops and then tomorrow night drop another 5 drops and do that until it gets to the .5 so I'm saying don't put no drops in tonight and just the ones right now and then continue to drop in the morning and evening starting tomorrow until it gets to .5 right
Yea, that's how I would do it. Just make sure you test often so it's not going too high too fast, or ending up less than .5.
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Yeah I know each time starting tomorrow morning after I put the drops in i gotta test it because it's a 13 gallon tank and there's nothing in there that can take the copper out so it will definitely climb each dose and I'm pretty sure that 10 drops will put it at .1 and then 10 total drops tomorrow will make it .2 and each day it should climb up .1 but I'll test it after each dose just to make sure because butterfly fish are nice i like them alot and it's eating pretty good to so we shall see what happens and hopefully it makes it
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Ok well I'm gonna put these drops in and then I gotta take a little nap because I haven't taken a nap yet and I work nightshift and I worked lastnight so I'm tired and I need a nap so thanks for all your help and I'm gonna follow you and I'm sure that we will talk again so have a good day and thanks again for all your help
Sorry missed this post. Bacterial infections can present in several different ways... white or red streaks or blotches, tattered or deteriorating fins, fuzzy growths or patches (not your Lympho) or a white "film" on part or all of the body.
Here's a good write-up on bacterial infections:
https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?threads/Bacterial-Infections.191511/
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