Crabs and turbo snails having issues

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I never had real success with inverts until I started adding trace elements to my tank. For years I used Kent Essential elements. I started Tropic Marin Trace 1 and 2 on a doser yesterday. I hope it works as well.
This guy came on my live rock 5 months ago and was about 1 inch across. He lives in my sump.
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He is bigger now
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Wow, no thanks LOL. That guy is way too big!
 
I’ve read conflicting things about turbos being temperate so I did wonder if that was an issue. I’ll look into the turbans. I want something to eat my hair algae and the urchin doesn’t seem to want any lol.
Mexican turbo snails are Turbo fluctuosa, they occur in the Easter Pacific in areas such as the Baja peninsula of California. Most are supposed collected in Mexico. To put things into perspective, the lows in the gulf of California is 61 Fahrenheit and the highs being 75 Fahrenheit - which isn't even the average temperature reefers keep it at which is usually 78 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. So yes, they are a temperate species. I know you said you had a bad experience with a pitho crab, but perhaps you got an old one that died early? Mine loves to eat hair algae and the stuff snails don't like. But at the same time it's kind of lazy and samples everything here and there. Also, my hermit crabs love hair algae. I also used to keep sally lightfoots in my old tank (different species but same genus as the one commonly kept in aquariums),they mow down on hair algae so it seems unfortunate yours isn't doing a good enough job. In my experience crabs in general seem to like it more than snails. Sea hares are also monsters when it comes to eating hair algae. A long time ago I had one hitchhike onto a seaweed I collected that was less than a grain of rice. A couple of months or so after that I saw a huge brown blob mowing down tons of hair algae that was at least 3 inches long. I'd be worried about them getting sucked into a powerhead and dying in a small tank though. They also can expel a purple ink that's supposed to be toxic when something tries to peck at it - I'd run carbon for that just in case. I would assume collection of them is somewhat seasonal from my experience of seeing them at beaches. At a certain time of year they'll all gather up together and mate in a fashion that makes them look like a sea hare-centipede.... very weird to see. Also there are many species of slugs considered to be sea hare, so experience may slightly very.
 
Mexican turbo snails are Turbo fluctuosa, they occur in the Easter Pacific in areas such as the Baja peninsula of California. Most are supposed collected in Mexico. To put things into perspective, the lows in the gulf of California is 61 Fahrenheit and the highs being 75 Fahrenheit - which isn't even the average temperature reefers keep it at which is usually 78 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. So yes, they are a temperate species. I know you said you had a bad experience with a pitho crab, but perhaps you got an old one that died early? Mine loves to eat hair algae and the stuff snails don't like. But at the same time it's kind of lazy and samples everything here and there. Also, my hermit crabs love hair algae. I also used to keep sally lightfoots in my old tank (different species but same genus as the one commonly kept in aquariums),they mow down on hair algae so it seems unfortunate yours isn't doing a good enough job. In my experience crabs in general seem to like it more than snails. Sea hares are also monsters when it comes to eating hair algae. A long time ago I had one hitchhike onto a seaweed I collected that was less than a grain of rice. A couple of months or so after that I saw a huge brown blob mowing down tons of hair algae that was at least 3 inches long. I'd be worried about them getting sucked into a powerhead and dying in a small tank though. They also can expel a purple ink that's supposed to be toxic when something tries to peck at it - I'd run carbon for that just in case. I would assume collection of them is somewhat seasonal from my experience of seeing them at beaches. At a certain time of year they'll all gather up together and mate in a fashion that makes them look like a sea hare-centipede.... very weird to see. Also there are many species of slugs considered to be sea hare, so experience may slightly very.
Yes, these were supposedly mexican turbos so perhaps that's what happened to them. I was hopeful for the trochus and ninja stars, but lost one trochus 2 days ago. The others are still there and moving.

I am a little torn on another pitho. He was fun to watch, but didn't clean much and liked to burrow under my frags on my sandbed, which always flipped them. I was repositioning at least something every day and haven't had to do it since he's been gone.
 
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I have those, porcelain, emerald, Sally Lightfoot and several ones I haven't Identified. I also have fire, cleaner, and coral banded shrimp and about 500 snails that are making baby snails.
 
Yes, these were supposedly mexican turbos so perhaps that's what happened to them. I was hopeful for the trochus and ninja stars, but lost one trochus 2 days ago. The others are still there and moving.

I am a little torn on another pitho. He was fun to watch, but didn't clean much and likely to burrow under my frags on my sandbed, which always flipped them. I was repositioning at least something every day and haven't had to do it since he's been gone.
From what I've read, tropical crabs that stay small generally have a shorter lifespan than colder water crabs or crabs that get larger. Some species of tropical crabs only live for 1-2 years, so it wouldn't be surprising if you got one at the end of its life cycle. People have only been recently been keeping pitho crabs, so it's hard to say how long they actually live. I've had similar experiences with my pitho crab - I keep them mainly for entertainment. They definitely do eat algae, but they appear to be more of a browser. I could also see their habits being annoying when you have frags on the sandbed. In fact, I was thinking about how pitho crabs should be advertised as being good for the sand bed because they bury and unbury themselves so often.
 
Mexican turbo snails are Turbo fluctuosa, they occur in the Easter Pacific in areas such as the Baja peninsula of California. Most are supposed collected in Mexico. To put things into perspective, the lows in the gulf of California is 61 Fahrenheit and the highs being 75 Fahrenheit - which isn't even the average temperature reefers keep it at which is usually 78 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. So yes, they are a temperate species. I know you said you had a bad experience with a pitho crab, but perhaps you got an old one that died early? Mine loves to eat hair algae and the stuff snails don't like. But at the same time it's kind of lazy and samples everything here and there. Also, my hermit crabs love hair algae. I also used to keep sally lightfoots in my old tank (different species but same genus as the one commonly kept in aquariums),they mow down on hair algae so it seems unfortunate yours isn't doing a good enough job. In my experience crabs in general seem to like it more than snails. Sea hares are also monsters when it comes to eating hair algae. A long time ago I had one hitchhike onto a seaweed I collected that was less than a grain of rice. A couple of months or so after that I saw a huge brown blob mowing down tons of hair algae that was at least 3 inches long. I'd be worried about them getting sucked into a powerhead and dying in a small tank though. They also can expel a purple ink that's supposed to be toxic when something tries to peck at it - I'd run carbon for that just in case. I would assume collection of them is somewhat seasonal from my experience of seeing them at beaches. At a certain time of year they'll all gather up together and mate in a fashion that makes them look like a sea hare-centipede.... very weird to see. Also there are many species of slugs considered to be sea hare, so experience may slightly very.
Would carbon take care of the potential toxicity? I run carbon all the time so if that would take care of it, that makes me less concerned about a sea hare in my tank.
 
Would carbon take care of the potential toxicity? I run carbon all the time so if that would take care of it, that makes me less concerned about a sea hare in my tank.
I would run it just in case. I've actually never had a problem with their toxicity and I've never read about someone who did. In general their problem is that they will wither away and die if they aren't given supplemental food like nori after all the hair algae is gone or if they get chopped up by a powerhead and die. According to Prof Culum Brown their toxicity is highly variable on what they eat - they get their toxins and dye from the algae they eat. They even sometimes have a toxic coat. I've personally squished a couple on the beach by accident, I think they are pretty nasty and slimy. So my GUESS is that for most people it's not a concern that they will crash their tank unless they have high amounts of toxic algae such as cyano or dinos.
 

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