CRASH!

My two crashes were my son sharing lunch with the fish. The first one was really not anybody fault. However, the second one could be blamed on me. I moved the tank out of his reach...but kept a step ladder in the same room. DOH!
 
O2manyfish, I can relate. I crashed my tank twice in a matter of 2 months. I was setting up vodka dosing and I accidently left my Neptune controller set to on instead of automatic. This dump 2.3 qts of vodka into my 300 g mixed reef. Within 24 hours it was slime city. I lost half my stock about 40 plus corals ( mainly sps) and a dozen fish. I got my system back under control after changing 200g of water followed by two 50g water changes over a week. I went on vacation for a week got back and everything was fine. I went to my Lfs and picked up an adult emperor and like a newbie I didn't quarantine the emperor and as you can imagine the emperor had marine velvet. I just lost 22 fish. It wiped out my tank. This was the hardest hit by far because my 6 year old son lost his favorite fish "Dory". We got the blue tang 3years ago for his birthday and it was about 2" back then. She grew to a good 8"+. my son insisted on a funeral. For me this has been a learning experience and by far the economical impact hurts tremendously but nothing can compare to seeing the hurt in my sons eyes when he saw his fish dead. That trumped all
 
Wow and wow! I lost my seahorse-4 of them in two separate incidents-one a sump did not restart after a power outage and I did not realize it for 24 hours. One was my husband taking care of them and putting way too much food in the tank and overwhelmed the system!! However, those were extremely hard lessons that happened to you! I can't even imagine!
Sadly I have suffered several crashes over the decades. And while they all had a huge cost, whether emotional, financial or ecological hopefully you learn how not to let it happen again, and share that knowledge to protect someone else.

Crashes over the years:
1) Was feeding raw shrimp from the market to Fish only tank with a collection of rare eels. All eels died overnight and all fish followed the next day - Turns out the shrimp was tainted. Some humans who had purchased from the market got very ill - The settlement from the supermarket was enough to buy a nice used car.
2) Had multiple tanks connected outside in the yard. The tanks sat on top of tomato bins filled with rock, water and chaeto. Had some hair algae get out of control. Hair algae actually grew up the side of the tomato bin and over the exterior edge. It looked kind of like a girls hair in a pony tail. The algae was pulling water up to keep itself moist from the bin. It was a neat thing to watch grow. Then it continued to grow down the outside of the tomato bin. The algae ended up creating a siphon that was pulling water out of the bin over the edge and down the outside. Wasn't till the system topoff converted the system from salt to fresh that I discovered what nature was capable of doing.
3) When I initially installed my surge tank I put the pump that pumps the water up to the second story balcony in the back of the display tank. I came home from my sisters wedding at 2am. The tank had about 6" of water in the bottom, with 20+ inches of acros out of the water baking under the halides. A rat had knocked the top off the surge tank (3/4" thick piece of acrylic, had fallen into the surge tank, got sucked into the pipe and stuck. The pump just kept pumping water out of the tank and up on the balcony
4) Did a tank upgrade from a 360 to 400. Had all the local reefers come over and help in a fun picnic/bbq kind of atmosphere. Managed to move a 100+ fish and a couple of hundred corals out of the tank, swap tanks, and then put everything back in without any major losses. We sat back at the end of the day appreciating out accomplishment. And while we gazed at the tank one of the Xlrg clams ejected a huge cloud into the tank.... The clam had spawned. we were all so thrilled. At the time I had over a dozen nice sized clams in my display tank. And in my attached outdoor tanks I was using giant clams as a natural filtration method. Well it turns out once one clam spawns, the others notice and then they all start to spawn. Within an hour we had seen about 3 clams follow suit spawning into the water. The next morning the system water was grey. The spawning of all the clams had overwhelmed the system. The skimmer had turned into a foam machine of chunky grey foam. The clam spawn wiped out about 65% of the tank population.
5) Decided to resurface the floor in the fish room and put in a stained concrete floor. We carefully plastic wrapped and sealed the tank in the room because we were going to be grinding and sanding the concrete. A couple of days into the job late in the day dark foam starts to come out of the plastic wrap around the tank --- Way up high by the ceiling. We pulled open the plastic to find the tank filled with grey water. I went outside to find all the attached tanks foaming with grey foam. And the water was grey silt. Turns out one of the laborers working on the project had taken the wet/dry vac full of concrete dust and dumped it into the outside sump thinking it was a trash can. That laborer became mulch in my yard and the next season the fruit trees turned out some of the most amazing fruit ever. Not only was this a horrible disaster. But there was so much silt in the system that it took months and months of huge water changes and cleaning till the system was able to maintain stable parameters and could start be stocked again (maybe 10 months)
6) Most recent (2.5 years ago) - Wife comes downstairs at 3am to take the dogs out. Sees the tank water is white. She sees 100+ fish lined up dead across the front of the tank. Auto topoff failure. Had a float switch and a second backup float switch - Both failed and the system topped off with Kalk for 7 hours straight. 85% of the livestock was dead immediately. We had a huge population of softies though - Thousands and thousands of zoas. And tons of xenia - And when I say tons - I mean 2 tanks outside that had probably 15+ square feet of xenia and about 6 sq feet of xenia inside. The softies took weeks to slowly keep melting and dying off. I immediately realized that this crash could have been avoided with 2 extra lines of code in my Apex programming. I emailed some of my fish friends with big systems and Apex units and said please please please add these two lines of code to your topoff. Within 6 months those two lines of code saved 2 tanks from the same disaster.

Sadly in this hobby "Feces Happens" and there is little we can do but learn and try to prevent it from happening again to ourselves or anyone else.

Dave B
 
I hope I never have a tank crash on me. I am just a rookie with only 3 years experience but my thinking is to keep every thing simple and natural. I refuse to use any chemicals at all in my tanks. I love using Crystal Reef salt, Essential elements, daily cleaning and maintenance and weekly 25% water changes. To tell you the truth, the only thing I check daily is my salinity to keep it at .025 - .026 and water temp at .78 degrees and I have not had absolutely any problems. Call me crazy but it works great for my tanks.
 
one of the best pre-planning actions we can do to prevent biological crashes is to not store up detritus anywhere in the tank. detritus is active substrate and feed for bacteria; this increases biological oxygen demand such that any hardware outages, or temp increases, will compound tremendously to consume oxygen from the challenged reef tank and can easily set off a loss cascade. the typical hands-off/always sinking and storing approach we take with deep sand beds is a huge component in tank crashes.

I work only with really old pico reefs and must keep them very clean so that power outages/heat spikes in the summer wont set off events. I literally blast clean my living sandbed fully free of detritus as needed, then reuse it right then with the cleaned rocks etc stacked back on top. year after year it runs mostly detritus free, even though the sandbed is 6 inches deep. rinsing never ever sterilizes marine surfaces, it simply removes plugging detritus so that in the event of a real hardware challenge, you've hedged BOD in your favor already and the sinks for ammonia/mid-rotting proteins never existed in the first place.

the old school reefing technique of hands off/perma sinking is directly the cause of OTS and is also implicated as a full on amplifier of loss in mistake-based crashes. down with detritus in 2016 onward says the very old very small reef.
 
Sadly I have suffered several crashes over the decades. And while they all had a huge cost, whether emotional, financial or ecological hopefully you learn how not to let it happen again, and share that knowledge to protect someone else.

Crashes over the years:
1) Was feeding raw shrimp from the market to Fish only tank with a collection of rare eels. All eels died overnight and all fish followed the next day - Turns out the shrimp was tainted. Some humans who had purchased from the market got very ill - The settlement from the supermarket was enough to buy a nice used car.
2) Had multiple tanks connected outside in the yard. The tanks sat on top of tomato bins filled with rock, water and chaeto. Had some hair algae get out of control. Hair algae actually grew up the side of the tomato bin and over the exterior edge. It looked kind of like a girls hair in a pony tail. The algae was pulling water up to keep itself moist from the bin. It was a neat thing to watch grow. Then it continued to grow down the outside of the tomato bin. The algae ended up creating a siphon that was pulling water out of the bin over the edge and down the outside. Wasn't till the system topoff converted the system from salt to fresh that I discovered what nature was capable of doing.
3) When I initially installed my surge tank I put the pump that pumps the water up to the second story balcony in the back of the display tank. I came home from my sisters wedding at 2am. The tank had about 6" of water in the bottom, with 20+ inches of acros out of the water baking under the halides. A rat had knocked the top off the surge tank (3/4" thick piece of acrylic, had fallen into the surge tank, got sucked into the pipe and stuck. The pump just kept pumping water out of the tank and up on the balcony
4) Did a tank upgrade from a 360 to 400. Had all the local reefers come over and help in a fun picnic/bbq kind of atmosphere. Managed to move a 100+ fish and a couple of hundred corals out of the tank, swap tanks, and then put everything back in without any major losses. We sat back at the end of the day appreciating out accomplishment. And while we gazed at the tank one of the Xlrg clams ejected a huge cloud into the tank.... The clam had spawned. we were all so thrilled. At the time I had over a dozen nice sized clams in my display tank. And in my attached outdoor tanks I was using giant clams as a natural filtration method. Well it turns out once one clam spawns, the others notice and then they all start to spawn. Within an hour we had seen about 3 clams follow suit spawning into the water. The next morning the system water was grey. The spawning of all the clams had overwhelmed the system. The skimmer had turned into a foam machine of chunky grey foam. The clam spawn wiped out about 65% of the tank population.
5) Decided to resurface the floor in the fish room and put in a stained concrete floor. We carefully plastic wrapped and sealed the tank in the room because we were going to be grinding and sanding the concrete. A couple of days into the job late in the day dark foam starts to come out of the plastic wrap around the tank --- Way up high by the ceiling. We pulled open the plastic to find the tank filled with grey water. I went outside to find all the attached tanks foaming with grey foam. And the water was grey silt. Turns out one of the laborers working on the project had taken the wet/dry vac full of concrete dust and dumped it into the outside sump thinking it was a trash can. That laborer became mulch in my yard and the next season the fruit trees turned out some of the most amazing fruit ever. Not only was this a horrible disaster. But there was so much silt in the system that it took months and months of huge water changes and cleaning till the system was able to maintain stable parameters and could start be stocked again (maybe 10 months)
6) Most recent (2.5 years ago) - Wife comes downstairs at 3am to take the dogs out. Sees the tank water is white. She sees 100+ fish lined up dead across the front of the tank. Auto topoff failure. Had a float switch and a second backup float switch - Both failed and the system topped off with Kalk for 7 hours straight. 85% of the livestock was dead immediately. We had a huge population of softies though - Thousands and thousands of zoas. And tons of xenia - And when I say tons - I mean 2 tanks outside that had probably 15+ square feet of xenia and about 6 sq feet of xenia inside. The softies took weeks to slowly keep melting and dying off. I immediately realized that this crash could have been avoided with 2 extra lines of code in my Apex programming. I emailed some of my fish friends with big systems and Apex units and said please please please add these two lines of code to your topoff. Within 6 months those two lines of code saved 2 tanks from the same disaster.

Sadly in this hobby "Feces Happens" and there is little we can do but learn and try to prevent it from happening again to ourselves or anyone else.

Dave B
And through it all, you've managed to rebound, rebuild, learn- and most important- share and inspire reefers in SoCal and beyond...these kinds of things suck, Dave, but the fact that you share the circumstances and lessons from them are exactly what the hobby needs...I can only imagine the many, many fishes that have been saved as a result of this sharing. Bravo.

-Scott
 
It is so nice that a thread like this can become a learning experience rather than a bash fest. That's why I love this place [emoji7]
 
It is so nice that a thread like this can become a learning experience rather than a bash fest. That's why I love this place [emoji7]
That's what it's all about! It's fun to be a part of this...It's a "No Bash Zone" here for sure...(unless, of course, we're talking about Facebook auctions, inflated coral prices, Photoshop abuse, excess marketing hype, or any number of the 100 other things that tick ME off, lol- then it's okay... :D- J/K). Thanks for stopping by!

-Scott
 
Great thread, and I agree as well with crashes being the hobbyist fault the majority of the time. As with all accidents in life, most are avoidable. Kudos to everyone who continues in the journey after a catastrophic event.
 
A friend was babysitting my 40g tank over Thanksgiving and instead of using RODI jug sitting right next to the detailed instructions for top off, he found the clearly marked 2 part Alkalinity solution and poured a whole gallon in. He called me and asked why the water was all white! Do'h. Took the opportunity to upgrade to a new tank and re-think my training regimen (and who I ask to watch the tank!). New tank is going to have ATO and automatic dosing. Maybe that will help too (or maybe adds more points of failure, who knows).
 
I think the #1 cause of tank crash is laziness if u are on top of your maintanance schedule an unforseen even can kill some of your corals or fishes but can't crash the whole system.
 
I think the #1 cause of tank crash is laziness if u are on top of your maintanance schedule an unforseen even can kill some of your corals or fishes but can't crash the whole system.
..and I think, outside random occurrences...Or "intervention" (intentional or otherwise) by "third parties" (i.e.; the cleaning lady, power company, well-intended but inexperienced friend, etc.). Some factors are truly beyond the control of the reefer his/herself...
 
Been there done that, TWICE!
First blame was on a mechanical malfunction, it just had to be, I do everything right every day!
WRONG.
Once I reviewed all my equipment, it present function values, and my real maintenance, it became very clear to me that it was in fact my fault.
What was my fault is too embarrassing to say, and worse still I did the same feces again without realizing it.
Had to tell the wife it was my fault (twice) not my equipment.
Really, sleeping on a couch by yourself is not that bad (until you have to do it twice).
Live, learn,and remember what you did wrong in this hobby and pass your mistakes on to others in the hobby.
We have to keep in mind we are the ones in charge of our mini ecosystems, and need to keep in mind we are the ones in control, not mother nature.
We all procreate up, it has happened to everyone of us.
Live, learn, and pass the knowledge on, oh yea and don't forget the knowledge yourself!
Rick
 
I've been fish keeping for 40 years, mostly freshwater and more recently a saltwater office tank. I have had several partial crashes, and the reason is almost always the same - a filtration failure. If your filtration stops completely, things go bad very quickly.
Early in my FW days, I had an angel fish for several years. The filter died and I didn't notice it immediately, and my fish looked sick. I replaced the filter, but the water still looked "off". I got a test kit and the PH was low. So instead of doing the obvious and changing the water, I got one of those "PH up" kits which didn't work. My fish eventually died.

Later in a larger tank, the same thing happened. I was quicker and the Jack Dempsey lived another 5 years, but he really wasn't the same. These days, I run dual filters in my FW tank.

In the SW tank in my office, I have a different set of issues. I have 2 powerheads in addition to a protein skimmer. But that doesn't do you any good if you lose power in the middle of a blizzard and there is nothing you can do until you can dig yourself out and make it back to the office. That happened last winter and I lost a coral and a fish. A coworker was able to make it into the office before I did and managed to restart the powerheads, saving the rest of my tank.

A flood in our office destroyed a lot of computer equipment, but didn't affect my office. Besides the destroyed equipment, other equipment was also surplussed and we still have that. One my coworkers suggested hooking up a surplus UPS to my tank. I wondered how much it would help in an extended power outage as those UPS's don't really power a computer for very long. Now that I am thinking about it, I could hook the UPS up to a small powerhead, while leaving the rest of the system on main power. Those only draw about 5 watts so you might get several hours of extra filtration time before hopefully the main power is restored. Might save me from another crash.
 
Left me reef in my brothers hands a fuew years ago when i moved from long island new York to atlanta. Needless to say hurricane sandy stranded him without power or heat for a month and he managed to keep that tank going with a cordless drill with a paint stirrer and with temps going below 40 would heat tank water on a propane burner. Thats love all crashes are avoidable just how far you wanna go.
that's AMAZING! what utility your brother has...
 
A timely article...guess who just lost a fish to velvet and is waiting anxiously with the rest of her fish in copper, praying it hasn't spread much further...

They've already been in copper once and qt'd for over 3.5 months to combat an ich breakout from a tang I bought...I really don't know how they got velvet. They were actually in copper again after my blue tang's pre-release inspection proved that the ich was not gone, but apparently the concentration (both times) was too low because I had mistakenly left the copper test with my Dad.

I've had too many crashes to tell them all. If someone's interested, I'll dig up the old tank threads.

In any case, I'm definitely hurting and frustrated and worried right now. Any and all new additions will be qt'd for two months, minimum, with a copper treatment for any fish. I miss Blue....praying it doesn't continue to kill my babies....Mo Hawk is not acting right, so I fear for him...made sure the copper level is right this time (my mom's awesome...dug up our last change to get me a test kit, and our LFS owner (Tony from Fish and Frag Shack in Helmet) even gave us a break on the price. Great guy.

It's amazing how comforting my darling Monica has been through this. I'm grateful to have her.
 
Sadly I have suffered several crashes over the decades. And while they all had a huge cost, whether emotional, financial or ecological hopefully you learn how not to let it happen again, and share that knowledge to protect someone else.

I immediately realized that this crash could have been avoided with 2 extra lines of code in my Apex programming. I emailed some of my fish friends with big systems and Apex units and said please please please add these two lines of code to your topoff. Within 6 months those two lines of code saved 2 tanks from the same disaster.

Sadly in this hobby "Feces Happens" and there is little we can do but learn and try to prevent it from happening again to ourselves or anyone else.

Dave B

Don't keep us hanging Dave B, what are those two lines of code!!!
 
I appear to have arrested the disease with a proper dose (.5ppm) of Cupramine...I suppose it's too early to tell, but no one else seems to be showing up with the dreaded yellow-powder look. All I can do is wait and see and keep the dose up. I may use the copper for a month to be sure, since it can only kill one of the parasite's stages.
 
But to respond better to your original post, it's sad that some people have such a fragile ego that they find it necessary to blame anything besides themselves. Or are taught to. Other than one instance, all of my crashes have been my fault. Yeah, it stings...in fact it downright hurts...to know that I have caused so much death and destruction. Hopefully others can learn from my mistakes, and hopefully I can give back somehow.
 
This discussion has evolved into exactly what I had hoped it would- a discussion about understanding what goes wrong and the lessons learned, not just blind accusations about this or that. I love this...Everyone deserves a pat on the back for their stories, suggestions, observations...and candor! See, forums CAN be cool! :)
 

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