Cutting through the much ... a beginner's guide

Hey pretty good list w high end pricing. I ran what I considered to be a successful sps 180g w a sump that cost 40$ bring a 40g breeder w no baffles. Skimmer put out very few bubbles and I had a ca reactor as well as eggcrate chaeto station. Are 500$ sumps better to look at? Sure . Are they more usable? Highly debatable .
 
I also forgot to mention that costs could be cut in at least half by buying good condition used equip. I realize that's something not in your best interest since you rather sell new but it's something to consider
 
Good article, but I don't think it has to be that expensive. I just set up my 93 gallon with pretty good equipment for just under $2,000. I have a couple more things I need to buy, but that won't bring it up too much higher.
 
When you consult you naturally want the most expensive product, which is interpreted by the client as the best and happily represented to them as the right choice. You don't hire a butler to serve you Ramen noodles, even though it will satisfy your appetite as well as the foie gras pate.
 
That's a problem. The most expensive isn't the best necessarily. It should be that consulting would offer choices to have the best, not specifically most expensive w theoretically higher profit
 
Well I don't sell products, I recommend them on behalf of what someone is looking for. Needless to say, I don't make any money off recommending products, but do it in the best interest of a client. Yes, we could all make a 40 dollar sump, with an empty aquarium. The article I wrote was based on face value, someone with little to no experience, looking at entering the hobby and buying gear that would offer some versatility for future changes. To that end, what I have there is spot on, and a vessel of information for folks with those needs.

As for Rpujol's slew of comments, all I can say is, it's my humble opinion that knowledge of your livestock, the nitrogen cycle and good husbandry aren't all it takes to get a good reef tank, and are certainly apart of a bigger picture. How about understanding the relationship between Alkalinity and Calcium, what animals benefit from iodine dosing, how about iron and the role it plays in coral coloration, even though some species are intolerant of it? The formation of anaerobic bacteria in your aquarium, to aid in nutrient removal? How about keeping deep water fish species (who are sensitive to bright light) with shallow water corals. That list can go on forever.

Going off understanding the nitrogen cycle, good husbandry and knowledge of your livestock alone, you would have a very limited experience with reef aquariums. And no, I never suggested that any beginner has any business with a Moorish Idol, or Achilles Tang, simply that if, in the future, they do have the skills necessary and desire, it would be better to have equipment that can perform the functionality to keep them, rather than have to go out and buy new equipment, on top of what has already been spent.

My guess, is that some of the folks who have replied, are reading the posts and not the actual article, even though they claim to disagree with everything it said. Much of what I recommended, is far from the most expensive. Skimz skimmers, are a far cry price wise, from Deltec's models, and a variety of other manufacturers. TruVu acrylic tanks cost a fraction of many other manufactures. Eshopps sumps cost way, way less than many other brands. Using mass produced salt, like Instant Ocean, costs far less than using the likes of Korallin Zucht, and others.

I do disagree that less than 10% of reef aquarists systems cost less than $10,000, especially if perished livestock was factored in. While I am sure many are running systems with no skimmer, similar to your own Rpujol, you have to admit, that type of system has severe limitations.
 
Oh, and by the way, Deep Blue Professional tanks are mass produced and far cheaper than many of the custom ordered tanks, I see members of this site getting all the time. The products I recommended aren't Cadillacs, but ones I have found to have a good cost-value-performance ratio.
 
I do agree that getting good equipment from the beginning is very important, but I also thin there are some areas where you can go cheaper and still get a good product.
 
Example:
Circulation pumps at $800
Lighting at $2,000
Liverock at $600

You can have three WP-25s for $160 - saving $640
You could put two of the latest programmable 165W LEDs from reef radiance over that tank for $360 - saving $1,640
You can buy premium Figi liverock from liveaquaria for $80 for 45lbs... Say you want 135 pounds? roughly $300 - saving $300

Using the above products will not inhibit your ability to keep livestock in any way from the original proposal. Total saved? $2,580

There are tons of other opportunities too!

If I hire a consultant, I want them to suggest the right equipment for me. Not the most expensive. If money were no object, I'd probably have what was on the original list, but to claim that those are "required" is just ridiculous.
 
Example:
Circulation pumps at $800
Lighting at $2,000
Liverock at $600

You can have three WP-25s for $160 - saving $640
You could put two of the latest programmable 165W LEDs from reef radiance over that tank for $360 - saving $1,640
You can buy premium Figi liverock from liveaquaria for $80 for 45lbs... Say you want 135 pounds? roughly $300 - saving $300

Using the above products will not inhibit your ability to keep livestock in any way from the original proposal. Total saved? $2,580

There are tons of other opportunities too!

If I hire a consultant, I want them to suggest the right equipment for me. Not the most expensive. If money were no object, I'd probably have what was on the original list, but to claim that those are "required" is just ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more with you. I personally don't make nearly enough money to afford all of the most expensive equipment an therefore I have bought their budget friendly versions. For example, I purchased a Wavemaker which splits your return line into two and switches flow from one side to the other every few minutes for 80 bucks. 2 Jebao WP-40 for 160 and 2 aqueon circulation pumps for 90 and that is PLENTY of flow for my tank. LED lights from Ocean revive which work good enough for me, I am planning on supplementing with a DIY LED fixture. And I bought base rock from Marco rocks.

I didnt spend half the amount that I would have had to pay for "top of the line" equipment and I am happy with the results.
 
I see both sides. I know what everyone is trying to get at here. But let's face it, if someone is using a "reef consultant" they know nothing about the hobby and probably have way too much money to spend. I think that the OP is partially correct in letting his clients know how much it will cost. It will make his job a lot easier and weed out clients that aren't ready for that type of tank.
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

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