Cyano and AF products

[eg8r210]

How do you know the peroxide would negatively impact the probiotics?

Peroxide an antibacterial. I can't tell you with 100% conviction that it will not affect the pro bio s bacteria, but it doesn't sound like it is worth the money to spend on bacteria only to then dose something to kill that bacteria.

 

[Perry]

Correct in thinking Ed, I agree 100% that the use of peroxide will defeat purpose of building a system designed with bacteria in mind. For this reason, I used Boyd's Cyano Remover, as it does not affect bacteria, this was key in my decision making on how to deal with cyano.

 

[Syntax1235]

Peroxide an antibacterial. I can't tell you with 100% conviction that it will not affect the pro bio s bacteria, but it doesn't sound like it is worth the money to spend on bacteria only to then dose something to kill that bacteria.

Peroxide is simply Hydrogen and Oxygen and is does contain some anti microbial properties.. I have read that 3% H2o2 can harm gram positive bacteria but is not effective against gram negative.

TWilliard has performed many experiments to test the effectiveness of peroxide on cyano. I don't recall reading where the dosing of peroxide caused a decrease in beneficial bacteria to the point ammonia was detected during or after treatment.
Somehow at the dilution percentage used in tanks it only seems to effect the cell walls of cyano, maybe it's gram positive and the beneficial nitrifying bacteria that occurs and that we dose is gram negative?
It would be nice to know.

Chemiclean does not list their main ingredient. I seem to remember Randy Holmes stating that it was some kind of a erythromycin derivative, a true antibiotic. I'm not sure of the properties of erythromycin, is it a broad spectrum antibiotic effecting positive and negative bacteria? Wish I knew.

Maybe my course of action is to wait it out? Since I just started the system last week maybe I should give the Pro Bio S a chance to do its thing? My Nitrates are undetectable and my Po4 is between .03-.04. I'm using Phosminus.... When my phosphates reach zero maybe it will go away?

Sometimes I think analyze things too much.

 

[eg8r210]

Peroxide is simply Hydrogen and Oxygen and is does contain some anti microbial properties.. I have read that 3% H2o2 can harm gram positive bacteria but is not effective against gram negative.

TWilliard has performed many experiments to test the effectiveness of peroxide on cyano. I don't recall reading where the dosing of peroxide caused a decrease in beneficial bacteria to the point ammonia was detected during or after treatment.
Somehow at the dilution percentage used in tanks it only seems to effect the cell walls of cyano, maybe it's gram positive and the beneficial nitrifying bacteria that occurs and that we dose is gram negative?
It would be nice to know.

Chemiclean does not list their main ingredient. I seem to remember Randy Holmes stating that it was some kind of a erythromycin derivative, a true antibiotic. I'm not sure of the properties of erythromycin, is it a broad spectrum antibiotic effecting positive and negative bacteria? Wish I knew.

Maybe my course of action is to wait it out? Since I just started the system last week maybe I should give the Pro Bio S a chance to do its thing? My Nitrates are undetectable and my Po4 is between .03-.04. I'm using Phosminus.... When my phosphates reach zero maybe it will go away?

Sometimes I think analyze things too much.

Seems like you have a bunch of answers so let us know how it works out.

 

[Syntax1235]

A lot more questions than answers. I'm really not sure how to address the issue... Maybe chemiclean is the way to go.... Perry had success and he obviously knows what he's doing.

 

[m0jjen]

A lot more questions than answers. I'm really not sure how to address the issue... Maybe chemiclean is the way to go.... Perry had success and he obviously knows what he's doing.

Im starting h2o2 as said, i've tried chemiclean, worked but it was a hazzle to get the skimmer to stop flipping out once the period was over. Not doing full probiotic metod so i doubt it will have a too big impact on my tank

 

[bubbaque]

The skimmer will freak out but the best way to fix it is if your skimmer has a drain valve have it drain into a 5 gallon bucket and it will stop freaking out before it fills the bucket up. It takes about an hour to fill up the bucket.

 

[jsker]

I tried the H2O2 experment, and it did not work for my system. In fact it made my system worse. My Po4 went up from .02ppm to .08 in the 14 days and my nitrates went up from .08 to .20 . Green hair took over and the red slim coated the green hair.
Went back to running the Np-pro phosphate minus and started to run a 1/4 dose of bio pellets in a small reactor and after a month Po4's and No3's are back in line at .02.ppm and .4ppm. Algae is green hair is gone and I have two small patches of red slim/canyo that is going away.

I had some irritation to the corals with the H2O2 and some slight bleaching. Now the corals colors are all back and growth is back on track

That my story and thought I would share. FYI I feed heavy.

Also reading all the post in this thread has be intresting in regards to using the benifits of Bactria in AF systems.
I guess we can learn something new everyday

 

[Syntax1235]

Here's an interesting interview with the member whose work shed light on the different types of Cyanobacteria found in our reef tanks and how to eradicate them.... Cyano and Spirulina, both similar in appearance. H2o2 only works on cyano and chemiclean works on Spirulina.

If H2o2 doesn't work then you have Spirulina and need to use chemiclean.

Watch the video, it's got some good information.

 

[jsker]

Here's an interesting interview with the member whose work shed light on the different types of Cyanobacteria found in our reef tanks and how to eradicate them.... Cyano and Spirulina, both similar in appearance. H2o2 only works on cyano and chemiclean works on Spirulina.

If H2o2 doesn't work then you have Spirulina and need to use chemiclean.

Watch the video, it's got some good information.

As I stated in post #28 there is not miracle cure for algae, chemiclean is about the closes thing but temporary, until the source is determined. Once determined then control it. The more and more I use AF the more I learn about how AF works in the tank. My systems in the past have not ever look as good and my present system. And referring back to post #28 it makes since now, when I was using H2O2 dosing that my algae and number jumped up for the reason the H2O2 was essentially killing off all the good bacteria in my system that I was trying to grow.

It would be great if we could get a product like NP-Pro with the Pro Bio S all ready in it for auto dosing.

 

[Syntax1235]

You've got me convinced to not add anything to my tank at the moment. I need a bigger reactor so I can add some zeolites to my carbon and Phosminus, that just may do the trick.

I'm only putting 2 drops of Pro Bio S and NP Pro for 120 gallon system volume.... Just started my second week of the dosing.