Cyano? Or Dino?

[ssunthar]

Have you done the coffee filter test to confirm dinos ? Have you tried dosing peroxyde in combination with the UV ?

I had a similar outbreak recently.. tried multiple options... finally hydrogen peroxide dosing saved my tank in just days.

 

[Amhojjat]

So been fighting this for 2 months now... it gets worse by the day. First month was told that it's cyano and used 3 treatments of redslime and it only got worse. Tested my water parameters and found that my phosphates were 0.00ppm so I read up on the Big Dino thread and did a entire 4 day blackout and installed a UV. First day after unwrapping tank looked amazing... kept dosing phosphates to maintain 0.08. For some reason my tank is going threw 0.04 of phosphate daily. I'm now a month in and this stuff is showing up on most of the sandbed and back on the rocks. 130 gallon system been running for a year. I run skimmer/socks / UV / carbon. Mostly have small frags of zoanthids/ mushrooms a 5 head torch and 1 small hammer. I have plenty of flow, 2 icekap 4k gyres and a good amount of fish and are fed 2x a day a mis between flakes/frozen/nori

Daily testing #s this past month.

Salt 0.025
Alk. 8.5 (solid) Hanna
Cal. 425 (solid) Hanna
Mag. 1290 (solid) Salifert
Nitrate. 15ppm. NyOS
Phos. 0.08 (dosing 0.04 daily) Hanna


Pics / Video attached under blues and under whites.

Cyno

 

[NickyReefs]

I had a similar outbreak recently.. tried multiple options... finally hydrogen peroxide dosing saved my tank in just days.

Went the h202 route for no change and some deaths.

 

[NickyReefs]

I had a similar outbreak recently.. tried multiple options... finally hydrogen peroxide dosing saved my tank in just days.

Went the h202 route for no change and some deaths

Cyno

Any more details??? Tried all ways of treating?

 

[Idech]

Went the h202 route for no change and some deaths.

How much did you use and what died ?

 

[NickyReefs]

How much did you use and what died ?

I used what VetteGuy recommended, I belive it was 1ml for every 10gallons at night and bacteria during the day. It's somewhere in the pages of this thread. Lost a Cleaner shrimp and some corals I belive my hammer pretty must got hit the hardest and melted away.

 

[jmichaelh7]

What’s your husbandry schedule look like?

I was going to say what about reducing intake, suctioning daily, and continue water changes weekly. The ecosystem may kick it by itself with no additives

 

[NickyReefs]

What’s your husbandry schedule look like?

I was going to say what about reducing intake, suctioning daily, and continue water changes weekly. The ecosystem may kick it by itself with no additives

Was doing weekly maintenance before this, just the usual stuff. But since this has been going on I've been doing maintenance either once a day or every other day. Must of siphoned all the sand maybe 30+ times in the past few months? Daily water testing. replacing socks daily. Carbon replaced maybee 5 times. I'd say on average I'd spend 1hr every 2 days for the past few months. Sorry just been a hellish few months and tons of work I'm starting to lose track of everything I've done.

 

[NickyReefs]

Small recap.

Thought I had cyano.

3 treatments of red slime remover (got worse)

Water rest showed 0.00phos
Read Big Dino thread
H202 test confirmed stuff bubbled alot.

Got nutrients in order
DINOX
Added UV 36w
Heavy silicate dosing
3day blackout
Another 3 day blackout
5 DAY blackout with h202 dosing + MB7 dosing

2 4k gyres... flow is not an issue at all

Since last blackout lights been max 50% blue only 1hour ramp up 3hour peak and 1hour ramp down.

Nutrients have been stable well over 2 months now.

Stuff just keep coming and coming... if I don't siphon at minimum once a week it will absolutely consume entire sandbed.

Roughly at 3rd month mark fighting this... not a bit of progress made..

 

[ScottB]

I am a little late to this now three month old party you are throwing.

If you've not yet seen this article, perhaps give it a read. I do think getting a proper ID would be a good next step. Pressed to guess, I'd say you have a some blend of LC Amphids, small cell Amphids and maybe some Prorocentrum for good measure. All of these will happily coexist with cyano. It is a tough combo that can take months to turn around.

The only dino you can remedy with a quick fix is ostreopsis. The rest require time to build (or rebuild) surface competitor populations. Many of our efforts to "fight" or "kill" dinos don't last because those methods harm the competition as well.

Just curious, was this a dead rock start?

A Dinoflagellate Treatment Guide

As the title suggests, this is intended as a short guide on what to do when you suspect dinoflagellates are trying to overtake your system. It is an attempt to boil down the protocols discussed across 11,000 posts in this "Are you Tired" thread...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[NickyReefs]

I am a little late to this now three month old party you are throwing.

If you've not yet seen this article, perhaps give it a read. I do think getting a proper ID would be a good next step. Pressed to guess, I'd say you have a some blend of LC Amphids, small cell Amphids and maybe some Prorocentrum for good measure. All of these will happily coexist with cyano. It is a tough combo that can take months to turn around.

The only dino you can remedy with a quick fix is ostreopsis. The rest require time to build (or rebuild) surface competitor populations. Many of our efforts to "fight" or "kill" dinos don't last because those methods harm the competition as well.

Just curious, was this a dead rock start?

A Dinoflagellate Treatment Guide

As the title suggests, this is intended as a short guide on what to do when you suspect dinoflagellates are trying to overtake your system. It is an attempt to boil down the protocols discussed across 11,000 posts in this "Are you Tired" thread...

www.reef2reef.com

Haha yess! My 3 month party! Haha, yes another reefer recommended doing the scope to see exactly what it is. Looks like that's something im just gonna have to do. Yes the 2 big rock formations are 100% dead rock. The middle rockwork came from my old 65gallon, I'd say 90% dead and 10%live. I have roughly 5 - 10lbs of live rock in the sump from a freinds 10 year old tank.

 

[ssunthar]

Went the h202 route for no change and some deaths

Any more details??? Tried all ways of treating?

May I know how you dosed H202? What measurement you used?

 

[ssunthar]

May I know how you dosed H202? What measurement you used?

No worries I got the answer from the threads above...

 

[NickyReefs]

Update 1/31

So today is first day I've been able to see tank during the day in a while (working night shift). And I just noticed that my rock work has tons and I mean TONs of pineapple sponges. I even found one growing on a zoanthid polyp. Noticed some bubble algea as well In different parts of tank. The slime has really started spreading on the sanded and up the glass. Coral is all looking great fluffy and colorfull.
Am I going threw some kind of ugly phase?

Parameters today:

No3 - 7
P04 - 0.06
Cal - 410
Alk - 9.2
Mag - 1300

 

[ScottB]

Update 1/31

So today is first day I've been able to see tank during the day in a while (working night shift). And I just noticed that my rock work has tons and I mean TONs of pineapple sponges. I even found one growing on a zoanthid polyp. Noticed some bubble algea as well In different parts of tank. The slime has really started spreading on the sanded and up the glass. Coral is all looking great fluffy and colorfull.
Am I going threw some kind of ugly phase?

Parameters today:

No3 - 7
P04 - 0.06
Cal - 410
Alk - 9.2
Mag - 1300

Another "ugly" phase is possible, given some of those earlier chemical interventions (DinoX, Red slime remover (erythromycin) etc.

Try and stay on top of the bubble algae. I attached a pointy stick to a syphon hose to extract for a while, but since I got the One Spot foxface the stuff has disappeared entirely. YMMV.

To come out of dinos almost always a trip through cyano IME. I regard that as just another ugly, but it can take a while. I like your current nutrient levels; that is a decent balance between the two that should allow other other surface competitors to battle against the cyano. Can take a while though.

 

[Just John]

This guide will be helpful if you get a microscope, but has good info and descriptions even if you don't have one.

I have not read all of the posts, so I might be repeating things others have said. Here are some things I have done. Maybe they will give you some ideas to help. When I had a bad problem with dinos on the sand, I removed the sand and it helped a lot, but I have a small tank. I also filled areas of the tank with floss for it to settle on and rinsed it off in the evenings (see pic). I put flat rocks, but I guess anything would work, on the bottom of the tank in areas where it settled the most and rinsed them off in the evening. I think it helped. I also set up a temporary tank to put my sensitive corals, etc. in while I treated the tank. Good luck

 

[NickyReefs]

Another "ugly" phase is possible, given some of those earlier chemical interventions (DinoX, Red slime remover (erythromycin) etc.

Try and stay on top of the bubble algae. I attached a pointy stick to a syphon hose to extract for a while, but since I got the One Spot foxface the stuff has disappeared entirely. YMMV.

To come out of dinos almost always a trip through cyano IME. I regard that as just another ugly, but it can take a while. I like your current nutrient levels; that is a decent balance between the two that should allow other other surface competitors to battle against the cyano. Can take a while though.

Thanks Scott! Much appreciated. Gonna roll threw this week and see how things go. Gotta wait for some more hanna reagents to come!.I'll give an update next week.

 

[NickyReefs]

Update 2/3

Came home to find 90% of sandbed coverd with this stuff.. on rock work, corals, backglass. Strings of it being blown from.sand floating in water colum just getting stuck on whatever it hits....parameters are all good... been 2 days since cleaned glass and the film algea is so thick I need to physically scrape it off.. I'm loosing my mind here am I doing something wrong?

 

[NickyReefs]

Update 2/5

This stuff unfortunately has completely covered sand bed and spreading onto rockwork and coral at an alarming rate. After close to 4 months of testing and almost daily sanbed siphoning...multiple blackouts...uv..h202 dosing..not ONE single sighn of this slowing down if not it spreads even faster. I'm finally decided to throw in the towel. I can no longer spend an hour a day working on this tank. I want to thank everyone for giving me input and spending time trying to help.

 

[jjj5311]

Did you ever get a microscope or send a sample in to id it?