Cyano... Or maybe not

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Hi all,

Been dealing with what I originally thought was Cyano.
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As you can see it has not gotten better from religious weekly sand bed cleaning and water changes. I dosed Ultra Life Red Slime remover which worked in the past and did not help one bit.

I followed the many different threads about the H2O2 test. It did not turn my water pink at all. And it also stayed clumped.
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At this point I think it could be spiralina or dinos? Would trying chemiclean be any different from the Ultra Life Red Slime Remover? Or should I try a blackout?
 
Top pic is Cyano
bottom pics are Dinos

How? Its the same algae. I literally just scooped it out of the tank with a table spoon and put in the dish with tank water and some H2O2.

Also have not seen one bubble in the tank that resembles dinos.
 
Stuff in the bucket looks green with bubbles coming out of it. Stuff in top pic is red, and slimey, Cyano
 
Bubbles only occurred after adding the peroxide. Have not seen any bubbles in the tank, which leads me to believe it isn't Dinos.
 
Also to add this in, I typically run the tank with 0 Phosphate and very low nitrates (less than 5ppm). I change about 40% of the water weekly and ran about 3 TBSP of GFO. Would slowing down on the water changes help combat the low nutrient levels in case it is some strand of Dino.
 
ok, so if it look like like the top pic, then its cyano. Do you have enough flow in the tank, in that specific area? Its relatively easy to get rid of it.
 
That is in an area of pretty high flow. The red slime remover had no effect on it.
 
Top is cyano...Cyano can feed from either light OR nutrients...thats what makes it tough. Adjust your lights if possible. If they are T5's change them. once to much red and yellow hit the water it grows. If you have LED take some of the red and yellow out. low nutrients and correct lighting will kill off cyano. Been through it. I run a ULNS tank and I got cyano from bad lights. And chemi-clean did do anything in my tank.
 
I am running a Hydra 26 with the BRS lighting schedule. Going to skip the water change this week. And going to remove some of the sand and clean it
 
Not real difference from the peroxide. Took the heavily infested sand out to clean with peroxide and a rinse. Not sure what to do at this point
 
I would also keep the sand bed and your rocks blown off using a turkey baster. Sometimes one of the most overlooked pieces of reefing equipment. Try and increase the flow of your main return as well. These are simple things to combat cyano.
 
Wanted to document some chronicles of this adventure over the past month. After determining it was not cyano I knew I needed to go a different route. First step I tried was to add my small 'mini' UV sterilizer ~3W which did not help whatsoever (probably due to small size).

I then rethought the issue. My first attempt to rid the invader at the beginning of April was by turkey basting the sand in sections over the span of a few days. Each section resulted in a large cloud that would consume the tank for hours. After the 3rd section on Day 4 I lost all of my acans and all corals were in bad shape. I immediately stopped this and the algae grew right back.

The next step in the journey as advised by @brandon429 was to evaluate the cleanliness of the substrate. I never washed it prior to setup and I had cured my dry rock but it was by no means 'live'. Tank setup was about 8 months old and had a good battle with GHA/Bryopisis that I had beat so I was confident there was excess nutrients in the system in some shape.

We ran a few tests. For starters I started off by stopping all water movement and taking out the algae manually by removing around 3 cups of sand off the top layer of substrate. I rinsed in fresh TAP water, peroxide, and finished with an RO rinse and left overnight. The sand was no longer cloudy during the rinse. I promptly placed the sand back in the tank and enjoyed my sparking clean sand.....

After roughly 5 days the invader came right back.... strong as ever. This stuff never grew on the rock EVER. Out of curiosity we ran a few more tests. I set up a cup with saltwater from the tank and the algae and set on the ledge of the tank so it could get light. The algae slowly withered away. The last test we tried was to set up a cup with clean sand using water from the tank to see if we could get it to grow in the cup. No growth.

Next thing I tried was adding MB7 to try to encourage the bacteria growth to consume the excess nutrients. After 14 days with that.... No change...

Clearly the problem was in the sand bed.....

One last attempt, I lowered the lights significantly and removed almost all the white spectrum. No effect on the growth and 0 die back.

Given that fact that I would have to move the tank in a few months and it was a rainy holiday weekend (thanks Alberto). I decided to remove the ENTIRE sandbed and go bare bottom (this would make the impending move 10X easier anyways). Nothing crazy here, made 10 gallons of fresh saltwater, reused 10 from the tank, kept everyone in storage bins. Removed all equipment for cleaning (boy my refugium was dirty), removed sand, rinsed tank with a tap/peroxide blend and reassembled the tank.

The results......

WOW. I have literally never seen my tank water this clear . Not one coral loss, fish loss etc. I have saved some of the old water to perform an ATI ICP test here in the next week or so to see if there was something in the water from a nutrient perspective. I have seen coral start to grow again and corals opening completely.... After a week there has been 0 growth of the invader. Obviously way to early to declare victory but we are on our way. I also added 2 bowls of clean sand and placed the same frags that were on the sandbed before to see if anything would grow.... So far sparkling clean. I'm sure I missed some data points on this journey, and I will try to add more to this. Pics to follow......
 
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Test cup

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Post clean invasion

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Annnnd its back

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Cup test

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Night shot, completely disappears....
 
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Sand bed removal time. Rocks removed...

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Time for the clown fish to go on vacation....

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Rebuild in process....

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Everyone back home.
 
I had a small reoccurrence on the rock. The little sand cups also gathered some more algae. Still think getting the sand out has been a positive change.
 

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