Cycling
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Is that the Fritzyme 9 bacteria bottle? If so, yes it would work as a nitrifying bacteria for starting your aquarium cycle. Others that work well also are BioSpira, MicroBacter7, Dr. Tims one and only.
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I’ll try the one I mean took and thank you for the reply
SueAndHerZoo
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Tagging along, and have watched that video a few times - very informative. BUT.... I have no patience and can't seem to purchase any, even on Amazon. 
I set up a new tank with live sand and dead rock about 2 weeks ago. 8 days ago I added Dr. Tim's One and Only, and 7 days ago I dosed with his ammonia. Testing showed ammonia: 1, nitrite zero. I added more ammonia and now my 7 days of testing are showing ammonia: 2, nitrite zero. Since I have no patience, would there be any harm in me purchasing a different type of bio booster and adding that? I would think different kinds could only be helpful, but if I'm wrong, please stop me. Maybe Bio-Spira? Or do I really just need to chill out and wait for this to happen. I think the last time I set up a new tank without any bacteria-booster I was at least seeing SOMETHING in my test results within a week. This one seems to be at a dead stop.
Sue
I set up a new tank with live sand and dead rock about 2 weeks ago. 8 days ago I added Dr. Tim's One and Only, and 7 days ago I dosed with his ammonia. Testing showed ammonia: 1, nitrite zero. I added more ammonia and now my 7 days of testing are showing ammonia: 2, nitrite zero. Since I have no patience, would there be any harm in me purchasing a different type of bio booster and adding that? I would think different kinds could only be helpful, but if I'm wrong, please stop me. Maybe Bio-Spira? Or do I really just need to chill out and wait for this to happen. I think the last time I set up a new tank without any bacteria-booster I was at least seeing SOMETHING in my test results within a week. This one seems to be at a dead stop.
Sue
there is an interesting context for that video, those tolerances and limits (such as nitrite suppression of the cycle) only apply when you are trying to speed cycle, ie add fish within days or perhaps the same day of a setup.
if you have 30 days, then any combination of ammonia and bottle bac you add, or import (anything wet brought in like the caribsea live sand is ready) will be cycled. You can't stop it from happening in 30 days, if you have the time. We have threads ready that show very detailed testing of cycle bacteria out to 8 ppm, far beyond limits from the video for actual aquarium bac, and no harm to the actual speed cycle process + the one where we just wait 30 days.
the most handy takeaway in any cycling thread is that if you have 30 days, you cannot stall it. Approximations of bottle bac and ammonia and water always lend a fully cycled tank at day 30, thats handy because it means you cannot mess up a cycle
its such a reliable timeframe that testing isnt required for any param. You can input rough guess amnts of ammonia, dump in some bottle bac, wait a month, change the water, refill, and it carries an instant fish bioload plus feed, the definition of a completed cycle isn't a test kit its the ability to carry fish loading without death even after a 100% water change. An uncycled system will die overnite with fish, can't even go 12 hours.
if you have 30 days, then any combination of ammonia and bottle bac you add, or import (anything wet brought in like the caribsea live sand is ready) will be cycled. You can't stop it from happening in 30 days, if you have the time. We have threads ready that show very detailed testing of cycle bacteria out to 8 ppm, far beyond limits from the video for actual aquarium bac, and no harm to the actual speed cycle process + the one where we just wait 30 days.
the most handy takeaway in any cycling thread is that if you have 30 days, you cannot stall it. Approximations of bottle bac and ammonia and water always lend a fully cycled tank at day 30, thats handy because it means you cannot mess up a cycle
its such a reliable timeframe that testing isnt required for any param. You can input rough guess amnts of ammonia, dump in some bottle bac, wait a month, change the water, refill, and it carries an instant fish bioload plus feed, the definition of a completed cycle isn't a test kit its the ability to carry fish loading without death even after a 100% water change. An uncycled system will die overnite with fish, can't even go 12 hours.
SueAndHerZoo
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I can wait the 30 days, but of course would rather not. But would it do my tank any HARM by adding more/different bottled bac?
no harm at all. in fact if you add fritz, the expensive refrigerated stuff, its ready overnite for the same claims above. they've tested it in Dr Reef's bottle bac thread and fritz is true next day skip cycle.
*those fritz systems can take fish instantly even without waiting, but 24 hours I think is the fastest they've tested to where bac adhere to the surfaces and can pass the 100% water change trick. that trick exports all dosed bac, leaving only bac stuck to surfaces, so its a true test.
rushing a cycle is how things work nowadays, its not bad science.
adding fish too quickly violates disease prevention protocols, a diff can of worms yep
*those fritz systems can take fish instantly even without waiting, but 24 hours I think is the fastest they've tested to where bac adhere to the surfaces and can pass the 100% water change trick. that trick exports all dosed bac, leaving only bac stuck to surfaces, so its a true test.
rushing a cycle is how things work nowadays, its not bad science.
adding fish too quickly violates disease prevention protocols, a diff can of worms yep
SueAndHerZoo
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I'm off to read about / research Fritz. I would probably still hold off another month before adding seahorses, but it would be nice to get a clean-up crew in there, some macro algae, and some soft corals. The tank is pretty boring right now. 
Sue
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that is perfect use of the product. it is certain to handle instant bioloading of that nature.
The going best science depending on where you stand is to have isolation protocols where the only fish added after ~80 days wait are fish from qt or treated qt holding places before addition. many times that's skipped using fish prepped well by a pet store, it just depends on how you want to reef using whatever curve you like to try.
at any time we can pull up 1-5 clowns being used at 100% safety here using skip cycle bottle bac across brands, not just Fritz. fritz was just found as the best going one among several tested in legit bacteria threads by Dr. Reef. I'd trust it to do what you want if the cooling was kept up on the bottles in transit/hold. Im not sure how seahorses fare with disease anyway that's pretty neat to try and locate. bioload wise, can handle per instructions on bottle it does work for ammonia waste processing/skip cycles
The going best science depending on where you stand is to have isolation protocols where the only fish added after ~80 days wait are fish from qt or treated qt holding places before addition. many times that's skipped using fish prepped well by a pet store, it just depends on how you want to reef using whatever curve you like to try.
at any time we can pull up 1-5 clowns being used at 100% safety here using skip cycle bottle bac across brands, not just Fritz. fritz was just found as the best going one among several tested in legit bacteria threads by Dr. Reef. I'd trust it to do what you want if the cooling was kept up on the bottles in transit/hold. Im not sure how seahorses fare with disease anyway that's pretty neat to try and locate. bioload wise, can handle per instructions on bottle it does work for ammonia waste processing/skip cycles
