Rmfgator
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I'm staring a new tank using Caribsea life rock, live sand and a marine pure seeded brick from my LFS, should I add Starterxlm or Bio spira. Read conflicting info on wether this helps/hurts, thoughts?
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Choose biospira
add it, then the tank is ready. It’s true quick cycle bac
testing isn’t required, adding biospira makes it ready.
read a few pages in the fish disease forum before adding fish so you can see what skipping disease preps brings. Order pre quarantined fish and then frags and clean up crews from clean/fallow sources if you want to maintain the best disease preventions.
(gasps from the no testing recommend heh)
here’s why I made that claim: try and find one single link on the Internet of anyone’s bottle bac cycle failing, in a reef tank, where the initial fish died quickly like they do in uncycled tanks - I’m unable to locate a single example among a million posted cycles on Google. All stuck cycle fears are api and Red Sea mis testing, but fish are doing fine and eating and swimming and breathing normally, since bottled bac instantly controls ammonia, especially biospira Dr Tims and Fritz.
add it, then the tank is ready. It’s true quick cycle bac
testing isn’t required, adding biospira makes it ready.
read a few pages in the fish disease forum before adding fish so you can see what skipping disease preps brings. Order pre quarantined fish and then frags and clean up crews from clean/fallow sources if you want to maintain the best disease preventions.
(gasps from the no testing recommend heh)
here’s why I made that claim: try and find one single link on the Internet of anyone’s bottle bac cycle failing, in a reef tank, where the initial fish died quickly like they do in uncycled tanks - I’m unable to locate a single example among a million posted cycles on Google. All stuck cycle fears are api and Red Sea mis testing, but fish are doing fine and eating and swimming and breathing normally, since bottled bac instantly controls ammonia, especially biospira Dr Tims and Fritz.
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BostonReefer300
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I’ve instant cycled my QT several dozen times with biospira or similar products and never had an ammonia problem. That being said, I always have ample surface area available for the bacteria to populate (eg biowheel, sponge, etc). I don’t understand why people go through these ancient, laborious cycling procedures these days when the available bacterial products make things so easy
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Screwgunner
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+2 Biospira Dr. Tims I got must have got to hot or froze it did nothing. I have a 125 put Biospira in the recommended amount added 13 fish one got sucked into my wavemaker one died 10 days later. Replaced with two fish fox face and yellow tang . 5months 1week latter they are healthier than the day I got them.
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NewGuy8899
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I used Dr Tims one and only and it’s been 6 days since I put 2 clowns and the bacteria and they’ve been fine since. *knock on wood*
People I’ve talked to that done it this way said they’ve never had a fish die on them.
People I’ve talked to that done it this way said they’ve never had a fish die on them.
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Biospira for assurance of biological seeding. Bacteria strains will generally go to work and start digesting waste minimizing any waiting period of cycling process.
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we gotta have a talk about disease.
if that were smaller, only permitting two clowns and maybe a clown goby, you could skip/feed well maintain tank cleanliness and have an 80% chance of long term success per any tank on nano-reef.com
but that's a nice larger tank, destined for mixed fish, and that brings in all the pages of the fish disease forum as the for sure happening if no preps are taken.
a huge hilarious initial let down in reefing is being able to carry ten fish, but ethically not able to carry any fish not part of a designed disease prevention pathway.
skip it, and you'll be in the fd forum by December. or at least silently reading what dosers can be added to control ich in a marine display
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if that were smaller, only permitting two clowns and maybe a clown goby, you could skip/feed well maintain tank cleanliness and have an 80% chance of long term success per any tank on nano-reef.com
but that's a nice larger tank, destined for mixed fish, and that brings in all the pages of the fish disease forum as the for sure happening if no preps are taken.
a huge hilarious initial let down in reefing is being able to carry ten fish, but ethically not able to carry any fish not part of a designed disease prevention pathway.
skip it, and you'll be in the fd forum by December. or at least silently reading what dosers can be added to control ich in a marine display
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if you ordered all pre quarantined fish, i guess nobody could fault for that angle
your dry start setup above brings in no vectors for disease, so you get to skip fallow preps for it if you used pre prepped fish. about 99% of the entrants in the fd forum knew about disease risks ahead of time, and still went on anyway thinking it wouldnt apply to them. the other 1% are having trouble implementing a chosen disease protocol and want tuning.
merely watch the fish disease forum daily, even if you choose no preps, to watch for symptomatology and recurrence rates, its amazing the number of new posts per day. the ability to 100% legit cycle from a bottle has sprung a different killer
its never free ammonia, bottle bac is legit for that initial use. its disease that comes from easily skipping a cycle with non prepped fish. The #1 rule in cycling for 2021 is be concerned over fish disease, not ammonia issues.
your dry start setup above brings in no vectors for disease, so you get to skip fallow preps for it if you used pre prepped fish. about 99% of the entrants in the fd forum knew about disease risks ahead of time, and still went on anyway thinking it wouldnt apply to them. the other 1% are having trouble implementing a chosen disease protocol and want tuning.
merely watch the fish disease forum daily, even if you choose no preps, to watch for symptomatology and recurrence rates, its amazing the number of new posts per day. the ability to 100% legit cycle from a bottle has sprung a different killer
its never free ammonia, bottle bac is legit for that initial use. its disease that comes from easily skipping a cycle with non prepped fish. The #1 rule in cycling for 2021 is be concerned over fish disease, not ammonia issues.
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Screwgunner
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I had cycled my rock for 4 months in a 32 gallon trash can with a large shrimp heater powerhead. At the start I put in Dr. Tims after 2 weeks there was ammonia. 4 weeks ammonia still rising. Put in biospera the next day ammonia started to go down . At 4 months my nitrates was 80 took the rock out and put in my tank clean premix . Phosphate went up fast leaching from rock. Brought that down with phosgaurd. Put in 8 chromis two clarkii clowns nasso 6 line neon goby. One chromis i think was sick got sucked into my wavemaker. Nasso was good for 8 days stopped eating day 10 bie bie. Replaced with yellow tang and fox face . All is good with the reef tank 5 months 1 week in.
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Screwgunner
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Don't mind the grimreapper in the window LOL.I had cycled my rock for 4 months in a 32 gallon trash can with a large shrimp heater powerhead. At the start I put in Dr. Tims after 2 weeks there was ammonia. 4 weeks ammonia still rising. Put in biospera the next day ammonia started to go down . At 4 months my nitrates was 80 took the rock out and put in my tank clean premix . Phosphate went up fast leaching from rock. Brought that down with phosgaurd. Put in 8 chromis two clarkii clowns nasso 6 line neon goby. One chromis i think was sick got sucked into my wavemaker. Nasso was good for 8 days stopped eating day 10 bie bie. Replaced with yellow tang and fox face . All is good with the reef tank 5 months 1 week in.
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Nasso was good for 8 days stopped eating day 10 bie bie
I take that to mean you regret not using preps for disease?
the entire system is infected from here on out, without a re fallow prep if those fish weren't from pre prepped sources. legit concern is that what took the tang so quickly is lodged in the system now
I take that to mean you regret not using preps for disease?
the entire system is infected from here on out, without a re fallow prep if those fish weren't from pre prepped sources. legit concern is that what took the tang so quickly is lodged in the system now
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Screwgunner
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He was the last one that has died that was 5 months ago. Rest of my fish are very healthy.
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5 mos is no time for fish health eval given their potential lifespan. 5 mos is the same thing as week 2 in terms of long term indication.
if you arent using disease preps, we can see how that goes down in the fish disease forum, and we're not loss free here as well. excellent example to add. ability to re buy fish will offset any future losses. if we killed a single fish in cycling an online revolt against not testing for nitrite would occur
this highlights the example that we can't find evidence of cycling losses, but we can find all examples of disease loss post-cycle. we should focus on what we do post-cycle ideally...to control patterns of loss v retention.
if you arent using disease preps, we can see how that goes down in the fish disease forum, and we're not loss free here as well. excellent example to add. ability to re buy fish will offset any future losses. if we killed a single fish in cycling an online revolt against not testing for nitrite would occur
this highlights the example that we can't find evidence of cycling losses, but we can find all examples of disease loss post-cycle. we should focus on what we do post-cycle ideally...to control patterns of loss v retention.
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