Cyno and Miracle Mud??

Squirrel_reefer · Nov 8, 2016

So I cracked open my stand yesterday to find a mess load of Cyno has popped up in my Fuge. Not sure the cause or how to treat it, I have never experienced it before.

Details:

Small refugium with Miracle Mud, some rubble, a big ball of chaeto, and some dragons breath algae. I even have live plants in the DT that are in the Chaeto family. I run the light opposite the DT schedule for 8 hours and my skimmer is on 24/7 upstream of the fuge. I only have 2 scarlets in there and they have only been in there for about 2 weeks really. I haven't done much of anything to combat diatoms in the fuge to be honest and the dragons breath had some stringy looking detritus on it before but I left it.

WC every two weeks 7 gal (around 27g total system volume) and I use Instant ocean Reef Accelerator and Special Blend according to recommended dosages (been doing this for 6+ months no issues prior)

Livestock:
Yasha White Ray
Lawn Mower
Six-line
Mantis Shrimp
clean up crew
softies

I feed every other day, 1 cube of mysis and I feed about half the cube to the Mantis. Also started feeding reef roids recently but not more than 3-4 times every other day opposite my mysis schedule

I haven't had time to test recently but here is a test I did Sunday which was two days ago

Nitrates: 0
Phos: >.25
Ammonia: >.25
Alk: 8-9
Temp: 77.7
SG: 1.024

has not made its way to DT yet thankfully, very scared to get it in there.

PICS:

Before: Ignore the bioballs those were in there for 3 days while I waited on new skimmer

Recently: Pre-Cyno

Best Pic I could get of the cyno:

Notice its growing onto the glass, sorry for pic quality but I'm 99% sure its cyno

saltyfilmfolks · Nov 8, 2016

Squirrel_reefer said:
very scared to get it in there.

lol. Dont be. Itll probably just phase out. and Fwiw if you have it there you have it every where, the conditions are just best for it to grow in the sump right now.
by special blend do you mean microbe lift?

my guess is the reef roids are just the perfect food right now.
Personally Id lean back on the roids and Special blend, with the new skimmer , get it dialed in let the system balance out again.

how are the red macros doing in the fuge. Its been IMO IME the dont like as much light as chato.

personally I wouldn't skimp on feeding the fish to avoid cyano. I like to concentrate on export. add a sock for meaty stuff(theres a clip on btw), skimmers going to take a bit of time yes, look at calurpa taxafolia, it what the miracle mud was made to use i belive OR increase the flow on the chato, maybe prop it up.

Squirrel_reefer · Nov 8, 2016

saltyfilmfolks said:
lol. Dont be. Itll probably just phase out. and Fwiw if you have it there you have it every where, the conditions are just best for it to grow in the sump right now.
by special blend do you mean microbe lift?

my guess is the reef roids are just the perfect food right now.
Personally Id lean back on the roids and Special blend, with the new skimmer , get it dialed in let the system balance out again.

how are the red macros doing in the fuge. Its been IMO IME the dont like as much light as chato.

personally I wouldn't skimp on feeding the fish to avoid cyano. I like to concentrate on export. add a sock for meaty stuff(theres a clip on btw), skimmers going to take a bit of time yes, look at calurpa taxafolia, it what the miracle mud was made to use i belive OR increase the flow on the chato, maybe prop it up.

Skimmer is definitely tuned in, the photo above is weeks old. I will hold off on the reef roids for now to see how things quiet down.

I am using microbe lift but dosings are about 2 weeks apart but I'll let that calm down for a little bit as well

the red marco is not doing too hot, I had several pieces "break off" into small ones and had some browning on the edges. Got it second hand so Im not too worried about it being successful

saltyfilmfolks · Nov 8, 2016

Squirrel_reefer said:
the red marco is not doing too hot, I had several pieces "break off" into small ones and had some browning on the edges. Got it second hand so Im not too worried about it being successful

that's what leads me to believe it may be too much light for the reds. or bad spectrum, prob the former. poss lack of No.
Successful or not its a good indicator of other stuff, so its good you got it.
the microbe lift in my case always gave be weird brown stuff, so im actually kinda surprised its worked so well for you.
really weird how every tank is so different.

Squirrel_reefer · Nov 8, 2016

saltyfilmfolks said:
that's what leads me to believe it may be too much light for the reds. or bad spectrum, prob the former. poss lack of No.
Successful or not its a good indicator of other stuff, so its good you got it.
the microbe lift in my case always gave be weird brown stuff, so im actually kinda surprised its worked so well for you.
really weird how every tank is so different.

So all hope is not yet lost, been reading other cyno threads on here so I guess it could be worse. The light I use is relatively intense I'd say, its a wave point blade 6500k which normally isn't much but consider the size of the fuge and like I said I run for 8 hours at night. I would have figured with this many plants in the tank there would be nothing left for other diatoms or algae. would dosing for NO4 help them?

saltyfilmfolks · Nov 8, 2016

Squirrel_reefer said:
So all hope is not yet lost, been reading other cyno threads on here so I guess it could be worse. The light I use is relatively intense I'd say, its a wave point blade 6500k which normally isn't much but consider the size of the fuge and like I said I run for 8 hours at night. I would have figured with this many plants in the tank there would be nothing left for other diatoms or algae. would dosing for NO4 help them?

folks freak out about cyano. and ya its ugly. but mine goes in phases. id ride it out and see what happens. make minor changes. you Po is high you no is low. if the coral are happy I wouldn't worry.