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I recently made a post about what skimmer to buy and I thought I had my mind made up, but that has changed. Since battle corals now supplies Deltec I am looking into them. Deltec is a classic brand with a good name, but are they outdated?

Onto my point I want a new skimmer as mine is to large. So I'm looking for skimmers rated for 100g-150ish. I settled on the Reef octopus 152 at first, but with little to no reviews I decided against it and was going to get the aquamaxx co1 as it has great reviews and a good price. But I saw the Deltec 1351 and 1350. Deltec has a great name, but with the old design are they worth it? Or should I stick with the Aquamaxx?
 
Nothing against any of the options so far, but I would definitely look at the Deltec as well as Tunze 9410. :)
 
Hi there, figured id chime in on this one:)

Its a pitch, but here's a couple nuggets for you on relevance:)


In 2009 deltec completely redesigned their skimmer line, including developing and enginering their own extremely efficient AC pumps. Where as most skimmer manufactures use commercially available, or modified versions of available pumps, Deletc leads the way with development of their own new pump. Deltecs are more relevant now than they've ever been, as these new pumps draw more air and use less energy than any other competitive pump in their class. And the streamlined design of the skimmers themselves makes for performance that hard to beat.

The 1350 is great skimmer, and a great fit for a system that size. Would be happy to go over some details with you any time. If you'd like any more info specs shoot me a Pm.
 
I've been skimmer shopping for my 150g SPS system. I'm looking for something a little oversized so I can feed more heavily. I'm sort of in the same boat as you MOPAR. I'm mainly looking at Reef Octopus since it seems relatively easily to replace parts and such. This is important to me since impellers have a certain failure rate.

The Deltec skimmers interest me. I would like to learn more about Deltec performance and air pull verse competitors. The Deltec skimmers appear to be a smaller overall volume with less wattage compared to competitors with the same gallon rating (I could be wrong but that's my impression). Can you tell us more about the value/performance that we buy when going with Deltec?

Generally speaking, in the world of skimmers, I find it difficult to determine where I'm getting value. There are so many design variation, manufacturers, types of pumps, etc.
 
Hi there, great question, and I'll do my best to articulate this one, and to not to sound too much like commercial or ramble on .;)


One thing that really sets Deltec apart from the competition is air. And lots of it! Deltec pumps produce a tremendous amount of air, which is the single most important factor in effective and efficient skimming.

But a very close second, is strict attention to matching of all that air and pump and pinwheel size, to the actual size of the skimmer body and neck diameter. These are specifics that will greatly affect performance. When pumps are not properly matched you will loose efficiency, and performance will suffer as well. All of these metrics are carefully measured and matched.

Deltecs are designed to allow for, and utilize the maximum amount of air and water through each specific size. A bubble plate is incorporated into the bubble chamber as well which greatly reduces turbulence that can pull waste laden bubbles back down, which in turn reduces the need for those towering beasts of the old line. And the design is so efficient that dwell time isn't a concern anymore, So Deltecs don't recirculate anymore either.

Those extra tiny bubbles attract all the dissolved organics they'll pick up within an instant of entering the water. From Deltec, "The air to water ratio is so high, that there is almost immediate reaction with the waste, therefore there is no requirement for the tall reaction chambers found on other low air skimmers, thus keeping the units compact. The new Deltec pumps also include innovative bearing design. The top shaft bearing now sits under the needle wheel itself thus optimizing the suction side of the pump."

I have mentioned this before, but I was really skeptical of the new line when they came out. Coming from the bigger is better camp i could not see how such a small design could outperform their older versions. But its more about air than column size, and once I had one of the new guys on my own system I was convinced it worked just as well if not better as they claimed. In fact it worked too well. You can actually go back and find posts on RC about my first 3070s, and me asking why did it stop skimming. lol. What's wrong with my wallet busting new skimmer I cried!

Well, the 3070s is rated for double what my water volume was, (like I said I couldn't wrap my head around getting smaller one at the time) and it only took a few weeks to really catch up. Once it did, there wasn't enough DOC's in the water column to produce a thick head of foam. The skimmer literally worked too well.

Here is the 3070s in the first week. Mind was blown. totally sold on the new design!

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Then after about three weeks the foam tricked off to this lol. I was distraught till I figured out what was going on. I think my thread title was "whats wrong with my new Deltec" or something like that.

I have since put the 2560 on this system, and it throws foam like the first pic very consistently:)

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Which brings me to another area that does need some attention. Properly sizing the skimmer to the system will ensure a steady flow of glistening dry foam, rather than simply neck and lid build up, while the skimmer desperately seeks out any thing thats left to skim. I have found that with Deltec, there is no need to oversize, unless you have plans to grow your existing set up in the future.

Anyway, I'll stop there, but if you've got any other questions about specifics, please let me know.
 
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To me I see Deltec as a top of the line skimmer, but with it's old school styling is it still? I know the saying if it aint broke dont fix it, but why does deltec stay with the old body design over going more modern like Aquamaxx or Nyos? Is it the fact that Deltec is in favor of performance and not styling?
 
Another great question,


I know that Deltec has dabbled with fad designs in body style and mesh wheels in the past and concluded that there was no significant advantage to a conical shaped body, and in the case of the mesh wheel, Deltec has this to say


Deltec use the same mesh material in various applications and experimented with the mesh wheel impellor about 15 years ago, so this idea is not new.

The small diameter of the mesh does produce very fine bubbles as it cuts through the air however there are also a number of disadvantages of this material which is why Deltec chose not to develop it further in a serious commercial product range.

As water enters the pump, the first thing that it comes into contact with is the mesh on the impellor. Any algae or detritus entering the pump can easily become trapped within the mesh where it will start to build up requiring regular maintenance - a thing that most people like to think that they do, but in reality do not. As detritus builds up in the mesh the ability to split the air and therefore the performance will drop.

The mesh by the nature of the material is totally non uniform in construction so no two mesh wheels are the same which can lead to differences in performance from impellor to impellor.

With its non uniform shape it is almost impossible to balance which becomes even worse when there is any detritus lodged in it. An unbalanced impellor will oscillate which creates irritating vibration noise and the possibility of wear on the ceramic shaft and bearings which reduces the life of the pump.

A protein skimmer is about adding the maximum amount of air into the maximum amount of water to maximise fractionation and waste removal.


It was found that for all the mesh will draw air and smash it in to fine bubbles; the mesh wheel impellor draws far less water through the pump than a pinwheel. This means that you get lots of air but clean less water. The reduced water can even cause the pump itself to run hot and trip out the internal thermal switch.

The mesh material itself has a limited life span in salt water and will start to break down over time, especially in the turbulent conditions of the pump housing with potential for becoming trapped inside the pump. As the mesh starts to break down the efficiency of the skimmer will once again start to fall.

The design and operation of the Deltec Pinwheel Skimmer has been developed over many years and relies on exact engineering tolerances to get the best mix of air and water which can not be achieved with a random mesh.
 
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Adam, thanks for your input and explanation of the Deltec skimmers, those are the exact kind of details that I was looking for regarding value/performance.

Which model would you recommend for my 180g system (150g display / 30g sump)? What is the cost of pump/impeller replacement? I'm SPS dominate and I want to be able to feed a lot more, so having a skimmer that can quickly pull out gunk is critical. My current skimmer is a Octopus 200 with a BB2000 pump. It pull out nice gunk but not quickly enough IMO. This result in cyano and algae in the display.
 
Adam, thanks for your input and explanation of the Deltec skimmers, those are the exact kind of details that I was looking for regarding value/performance.

Which model would you recommend for my 180g system (150g display / 30g sump)? What is the cost of pump/impeller replacement? I'm SPS dominate and I want to be able to feed a lot more, so having a skimmer that can quickly pull out gunk is critical. My current skimmer is a Octopus 200 with a BB2000 pump. It pull out nice gunk but not quickly enough IMO. This result in cyano and algae in the display.


Excellent, Glad I could help. If theres any other specifics i can detail for you please let me know and ill do my best.

I'd go with the SC 1455 on a sps 180. Just a tad oversized but gives you some breathing room for sure to feed extra heavy and maybe add an extra fish or two. And if you think there may be a satellite tank anytime in the future than you are covered as well. I am confident you'll be very pleased with the performance of the 1455 over the octo.

The only caveat to the internals, is that you'll really want to have chamber in the sump with a baffle that keeps the water lever constant. Preferably around 6-9"Provided you've got that, then I'd say your go to go:)


Everything is guaranteed for full year, but if you should need to replace the pump or impeller at any time after, call me and ill work with you. Retail on the impeller and pump separately is about 125 and 275 I believe. Stings a little I know but if the time ever comes call me and I'll do the best I can for you.

any other questions at all, just let me know.

Thanks
 

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