Diamondback CP

[boozeman27]

CP treatment did not occur for at least 2-3 months after symptoms appeared. He was in TTM when it first appeared. He then spent the next couple months in a qt by himself with metro food. Like I said, it took me awhile to get the cp, but during the wait he seemed fine, just had those marks or scars. He did fine during the cp treatment, he has just shown no change in the visible scars or marks.

 

[4FordFamily]

Still only avail via prescription, correct?

 

[boozeman27]

Yes. I had to get a script from vet. I have spent over $200 on this $4 fish. Oh, what we do for our little friends. At least it’s a good learning experience. I just want to finally heal him and get him in my dt! My wife loves the little guy!

 

[BigJohnny]

$200? Jesus, for how much?

 

[boozeman27]

Well, I had to buy a separate qt setup, the CP was only about $65, and the vet appointment was $55. I know! All for a $4 fish, but when your wife has a soft spot for him, I have to do everything I can. I could of just chucked him and told my wife he died, but I couldn't do that to the little guy. He's a fighter

 

[boozeman27]

And at least now I have some practice. Whenever I decide to add another fish, I will have the CP to do the QT with.

 

[boozeman27]

Here is the link to my original thread.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/what-are-these-red-marks.316890/

 

[BigJohnny]

Well, I had to buy a separate qt setup, the CP was only about $65, and the vet appointment was $55. I know! All for a $4 fish, but when your wife has a soft spot for him, I have to do everything I can. I could of just chucked him and told my wife he died, but I couldn't do that to the little guy. He's a fighter

On I thought you meant 200 for the cp. 65 seems like a lot but if you have some left over it wasn't all for him so whatever. The vet appointment requirement is pretty absurd but they have to protect themselves i guess.

I get it man I'm the same way, love animals and I spoil/take care of everyone I own. My friends think I'm crazy. That's how it should be though. Once they are in our tank they are our responsibility.

 

[Humblefish]

CP treatment did not occur for at least 2-3 months after symptoms appeared. He was in TTM when it first appeared. He then spent the next couple months in a qt by himself with metro food. Like I said, it took me awhile to get the cp, but during the wait he seemed fine, just had those marks or scars. He did fine during the cp treatment, he has just shown no change in the visible scars or marks.

Honestly, if he was showing symptoms for 2-3 months prior to treatment odds are he is scarred for life. The lesions probably penetrated too deeply into his skin during that time. No reason though why he can't be a happy member of your DT once he is 100% clear of the infection.

I have spent over $200 on this $4 fish.

I'm with you, bud. I once spent around $100 on a Beau Gregory Damsel that had everything under the sun wrong with him. And this was back when I didn't really have $100 to spend. He grew up to be big, strong and mean so I ended up donating him to a public aquarium who put him in a large system. They had him for at least 10 years before Hurricane Katrina hit.

Once they are in our tank they are our responsibility.

EXACTLY. I have no qualms about taking fish out of the ocean. But that fish then becomes MY OBLIGATION, and I'll do to the best of my ability whatever it takes to ensure their health and well-being. Just like if it were a dog, cat, bird, etc. People who don't want to take on that responsibility and view fish as disposable commodities shouldn't be in the hobby IMO.

 

[billw]

What has

Their primary job is to ensure the CP they are selling is 99% pure or better via chemical analysis. I have every confidence in their chemists/pharmacists to do that.

But leave the dosage/treatment instructions to people like me (not saying I'm the only one) who have years of anecdotal experience (plus research) using the drug to eradicate external parasites.

It looks like that information on crypto could have been a "donated" piece without any authorative review, judging from the citation ( just a name? It looks like wikipedia!). I'm pretty sure the vet writing the prescription has to prescribe dosage. My prescriber (vet friend of a friend) was not familiar with the application but had to write something. So my dosage instruction came out gibberish relative to the one and done dosage that I intended. I doubt that pharmacists are even permitted to prescribe dosages. That is the job of the doctor/vet.

 

[code4]

Humblefish I started my fish at 60 mg in a 20 gallon tank. Using the CP from Diamondback. Started on November 16th. Fish in the tank are all small, the regal in my photo here. A CBB, Pyramid Butterfly, the Pearly jawfish, scooter blenny, red dragonet. I removed the small rock when the jawfish started using a small plastic decoration. And have been only using 40 mg dose for water changes. All fish were eating until today. I noticed the eyes on the regal and pyramid are getting cloudy. Pyramid has a raised white dot on one eye. Did a 3 gallon water change and started adding Furan-2 this evening. I am going to continue with small water changes and the Furan-2 unless you suggest a different treatment for 10 days

Thanks
Shelley

 

[Humblefish]

@code4 I would give one of them a 5 min FW dip to confirm/rule out flukes in the eyes.

If flukes show, give the other one a 5 min FW dip for temporary relief, and then everybody gets treated with API General Cure in lieu of Prazipro (which shouldn't be used with CP.)

Assuming no flukes show, you have one of two options:

1. Switch over to using erythromycin & minocycline (Maracyn 1 & 2) - which is better for eye infections.
2. Add Kanaplex + Metroplex to your Furan-2 treatment (second best option for treating eye infections).

 

[code4]

I will order some API General Cure to have on hand. And switch over to Maracyn 1 & 2 which I have on hand and have used on this Angel before. I will do a fresh water dip on the Pyramid (Tut) butterfly fish since his eye looks worse. I appreciate your sharing your knowledge and will update on this thread for others seeking information.

Shelley

 

[holly]

Would like to hear from anyone who has used Diamondback's Chloroquine phosphate to treat for: Ich, velvet, brook or uronema. Positive or negative experiences. Please describe your QT setup in detail, how much CP you dosed, what you were treating for and how long, etc.

I personally tested their product for over 6 months on 22 fish with active infections of ich, velvet, brook & uronema before endorsing it. 100% success rate. I dosed @ 60mg/gal and treated in bare bottom/rockless QTs that I sterilized beforehand. CP will not work in a DT or any tank with rock/sand due to bacteria/biofilm degrading the medication.

What has me concerned is these confusing dosing instructions from them (awaiting feedback from them):


Source: http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/chloroquine/

CP is a "one and done treatment" with a dosage range of 10-15mg/L (40-60 mg/gal). The only reason to dose more than that is if the medication were being degraded and needed to be replenished, would could only be confirmed by using a spectrophotometer.

Their write-up is full of inaccuracies. For example: "What Is Cryptocaryon? Cryptocaryon is a ciliated protozoan parasite of fresh water fish."

Freshwater ich is Ichthyophthirius, not Cryptocaryon. I think they just copy & pasted this info from someplace. Obviously, not R2R.

Did this ever get resolved? It is concerning there are vastly conflicting recommendations on dosage. To add to the confusion, here is what Noga says in Fish Disease Diagnosis and Treatment for "prolonged immersion": "Add 10mg chloroquine diphosphate/l (= 40mg chloroquine diphosphate/gallon) every 5 days for at least 4 treatments..." He also advises that the salinity be at <14ppt (1.0105 sg). This is consistent with Diamondback's recommended dose: "The typical treatment involves adding five to ten milligrams of Chloroquine per liter of water every five days for a minimum of four treatments." Diamond back also recommends salinity be at 14ppt, and indicates it is best to use in conjunction with hyposalinity. Maybe this is where Diamondback got their information on recommended dosage. Noga is a pretty good resource in my book.

From the posts above, it sounded like @Humblefish contacted Diamondback, but I can't find any posts about their response.

 

[billw]

Did this ever get resolved? It is concerning there are vastly conflicting recommendations on dosage. To add to the confusion, here is what Noga says in Fish Disease Diagnosis and Treatment for "prolonged immersion": "Add 10mg chloroquine diphosphate/l (= 40mg chloroquine diphosphate/gallon) every 5 days for at least 4 treatments..." He also advises that the salinity be at <14ppt (1.0105 sg). This is consistent with Diamondback's recommended dose: "The typical treatment involves adding five to ten milligrams of Chloroquine per liter of water every five days for a minimum of four treatments." Diamond back also recommends salinity be at 14ppt, and indicates it is best to use in conjunction with hyposalinity. Maybe this is where Diamondback got their information on recommended dosage. Noga is a pretty good resource in my book.

From the posts above, it sounded like @Humblefish contacted Diamondback, but I can't find any posts about their response.

I believe the following to be true, but I am not a Vet or an MD. Please discuss and verify this issue with your Vet.

I believe that pharmacies do not prescribe dosages (possibly not allowed by law???) but rather only dispense what is prescribed by a licensed Veterinarian. When writing a prescription, a Vet is required to prescribe the dosage. This is the way human medications are dispensed.

 

[OldOne14]

Hi all, I have acquired some CP from Diamondback. What do you use to measure the dosing and how long is the treatment for active ick? TIA for any help!

 

[Greenstreet.1]

Hi all, I have acquired some CP from Diamondback. What do you use to measure the dosing and how long is the treatment for active ick? TIA for any help!

This should help and there’s also info on page one of this thread that you are on now.

Chloroquine phosphate
https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?posts/2204093/

 

[OldOne14]

Thank you!! I love this group.

 

[holly]

There is still conflicting information about dosage. See my post from January 5, 2018 above. On the first post of this thread @Humblefish writes:

What has me concerned is these confusing dosing instructions from them (awaiting feedback from them):
The typical treatment involves adding five to ten milligrams of Chloroquine per liter of water every five days for a minimum of four treatments. However, your veterinarian or aquarium specialist will provide more detailed instructions for treating your unique case.​

As I said above, the info on the package, which is very different than the recommended dose in the first post, is consistent with Noga's recommended dose. Personally, I have been following Humblefish's recommendation but the conflicting information is of concern.

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[OldOne14]

I found this on https://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish
What I found interesting was the dosing breakdown for smaller tanks.
Home aquarists may have difficulty in measuring minute amounts of a drug to treat small tanks. Avoid guessing or trying to use volume measurements for these weights. Small electronic balances are available for relatively low cost, but may not have sufficient resolution to measure amounts of a drug in the milligram range. One trick to improve accuracy of a measurement is to make a stock solution, and then use a small quantity of that to dose the tank. The reason this works well is that home aquarists generally can measure small volumes of a liquid easier than they can weigh small amounts of a powder. For example, if you need to treat a 10 gallon aquarium with chloroquine at 10 mg/l, you would need to add 376 mg of the drug to the tank, a very small amount to try and weigh out. If you can more easily weigh out a single gram (a nice round amount), you can dissolve that into 12 teaspoons of distilled water, and then add 4 ½ teaspoon of that solution to the 10 gallon tank. For increased accuracy, you can buy a volumetric medicine dosing spoon. These can be used much like a graduated cylinder for measuring accurate amounts of a stock solution. For this example, you would add one gram of chloroquine to 100 milliliters of distilled water, and then add 37.6 ml of that stock solution to the aquarium.
What do you guys think on this??