Dino/ Diatom/ Cyano Relation - Nutrient Relation?

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I know extra nutrients can attribute to dinos, diatoms, and cyano.

I should preface by saying that I lost a lot of Zoas a week or so before the events to follow occurred. Lets say you had a dino or diatom outbreak and once one the Ds were "dying" out a cyano outbreak started. I would imagine that the nutrients expelled are now being consumed by the cyano. Now my brain starts working trying to figure out what do. Before the D outbreak I was running BRS GFO in a TLF reactor after I noticed a small amount of red cyano starting, as the cyano regressed a brown slimy film with long stringy "sweepers" took its place (I would guess diatoms being little to no bubbles on brown slime). I took the GFO offline, as things were deteriorating with it running, so to try and eliminate variables in the water column. I also siphoned out as much of the brown film as possible doing small water changes. The I vacuumed 90% of the sump just to remove detritus and film substance from the refuge area. Finally this slime was receding to now theres no sign anywhere.......but now theres is a very noticeable cyano outbreak. Im thinking theres something in my water that these are competing over, and I cannot test for, or I do not have the test for. The brown slime was noticeably harmful to corals by smothering them and cyano can have the same effect but is not visually affecting the inhabitants as of now. Should I monitor the cyano and let it continue for a little while keeping it away from corals and somewhat at bay so that i can use it for the nutrient export and keep the Ds away. In further thinking this will allow the cyano to consume the X nutrient and then I can address the cyano when it starts to digress naturally because X is depleting from the water. But of course a question or two for those who may be more chemically inclined than I...
1. What problem may arise from letting cyano continue even though its kept at bay?
2. What element in the water could both be competing over?
3. Would higher or lower salt level benefit this situation?
4. Within reason, would raising or lower pH be beneficial?
5. Continue with small WCs or fewer larger changes? NOTE* ( 100g water vol- 10g every two days or 20-30 g week?) I have questioned the RODI and some of the info Ive read about the CO level of the water and nutrients passing thru due to pH of incoming water. * I am putting an additional dual canister inline today with Anion and Cation Resins which from what I understand will help address the possibility of these nutrients/minerals getting passed thru. I currently run the BRS with dual DI, Dual RO, Booster set at constant 75psi, I have the preinstalled TDS meter and added an additional TDS. Incoming water is city supplied (water utility lists chloramine) normally show 210- 257, output shows 0 and rejection rate is correct.
6. Connect my ATS, add aggressive amount of GFO, heavy carbon, reduce light......?
7. Buy a new tank and start over?
 
Actually, very low nutrients can contribute to dino problems, most likely because at low nutrients you lose competition by algae or other organisms for some critical element (could be any of many such as iron, manganese, etc.). Water changes can make dinos worse, and trace elements (at least one) is probably why.

Cyanobacteria may be a good competitor for this element, and may reduce the dino risk.
 
Actually, very low nutrients can contribute to dino problems, most likely because at low nutrients you lose competition by algae or other organisms for some critical element (could be any of many such as iron, manganese, etc.). Water changes can make dinos worse, and trace elements (at least one) is probably why.

Cyanobacteria may be a good competitor for this element, and may reduce the dino risk.

So would you take issue with the thinking that I should let the cyano continue (closely monitored) for a few days so that the nutrient may be absorbed by the cyano and then while doing water changes siphon 25-50% of the cyano weekly? Kinda like cheato; grows and absorbs nutrients, we trim cheato, therefore nutrient reduction. Just using cyano instead of algae.
 
So would you take issue with the thinking that I should let the cyano continue (closely monitored) for a few days so that the nutrient may be absorbed by the cyano and then while doing water changes siphon 25-50% of the cyano weekly? Kinda like cheato; grows and absorbs nutrients, we trim cheato, therefore nutrient reduction. Just using cyano instead of algae.

I think it is a decent plan for a different reason, not nutrients but competition for a trace element.

Reducing nutrients bellow about 2 ppm nitrate and 0.01 ppm phosphate increases the issues/risks with dinos in many people's experiences.
 
I think it is a decent plan for a different reason, not nutrients but competition for a trace element.

Reducing nutrients bellow about 2 ppm nitrate and 0.01 ppm phosphate increases the issues/risks with dinos in many people's experiences.
My ICP results have shown metals in the past, i think iron was the main one that was elevated. Found a terribly rusted magnet in a powerhead which I removed and then used TLF metazorb for 10 days which I followed up with cuprisorb 2 weeks after removing the Mzorb. The levels had dropped tremendously by the next testing result. For now Ill monitor the situation and make small changes if any. I should have new ICP test results in a few days from a sample when the brown slime was leaving and the cyano was starting back. Hopefully that was the best time to catch the element that the slime may have released before the cyano started consuming said element.
 
Ive read over that a few times in last few weeks trying to put the puzzle together.

Is there a particular element that comes to mind with the cyano bacteria/dino spike and sudden loss in mainly Zoas and Palys?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but both dinos and cyanobacteria are known to make toxic compounds (organic compounds).
 
I'm not sure I understand the question, but both dinos and cyanobacteria are known to make toxic compounds (organic compounds).

Sorry, as far as what element dinos and cyano would consume and also be linked to fast deterioration of zoas and palys. Example; say element "X" was present and while Z&P may be affected quickly, the dino and cyano wouldn't consume this element and grow quickly. However if element "Y" was elevated then both dinos and cyano would benefit greatly and also be quickly toxic to polyps (soft coral) when present.

Zoas and Palys closed and melted fairly quickly, however my other softies were noticeably unhappy also.
 
Sorry, as far as what element dinos and cyano would consume and also be linked to fast deterioration of zoas and palys. Example; say element "X" was present and while Z&P may be affected quickly, the dino and cyano wouldn't consume this element and grow quickly. However if element "Y" was elevated then both dinos and cyano would benefit greatly and also be quickly toxic to polyps (soft coral) when present.

Zoas and Palys closed and melted fairly quickly, however my other softies were noticeably unhappy also.

The issue is not excess of one element driving dinos or cyano. If there is enough of each and every needed element, they can grow, and 100 times as much does not make them grow faster. The issue may be driving one critical element low enough to limit dino growth and not limit the organisms you want to keep.

All photosyntehtic organisms (including cyano and dinos) must consume a wide array of trace elements (iron, manganese, copper, vanadium, etc.) and we do not have any good data on which of them (if any) may become limiting to dinos in reef tanks under normal conditions.
 

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