Dinoflagelates. A disruptive treatment

Karliefish · Dec 11, 2022

Beuchat said:
Hi Dr. Jim, the DIY organic carbon additive is made of:

225 ml of vodka (40%)
25 ml of white vinegar
1 tea spoon of brown sugar

Dose is 0,5 ml/100 liters of aquarium water per day

Hope it helps

Really appreciate you sharing this recipe, I’m going to start using it tonight. If i’ve done my math correctly on my 350G tank I would be dosing 6.67 per night - correct? Also, do I only dose this after the lights are out? Additinally, once I get the dinos under control what would be a good maintenance level to dose? Finally, I reading mix comments on if I should continue dosing phosphates & nitrates? Curently I need to dose both of these daily to maintain decent levels.

Koh23 · Dec 11, 2022

350g=1325L

0,5ml / 100l = 6,62ml

So, yes...calculation is ok....

stoney7713 · Dec 11, 2022

Karliefish said:
Really appreciate you sharing this recipe, I’m going to start using it tonight. If i’ve done my math correctly on my 350G tank I would be dosing 6.67 per night - correct? Also, do I only dose this after the lights are out? Additinally, once I get the dinos under control what would be a good maintenance level to dose? Finally, I reading mix comments on if I should continue dosing phosphates & nitrates? Curently I need to dose both of these daily to maintain decent levels.

Yes, after lights out. Can't really answer the rest.

killer2001 · Dec 11, 2022

sixty_reefer said:
Alcohol vinegar? That wouldn’t be vinegar. To my knowledge there’s only two types of brown sugar. One that is unrefined and it keeps they’re natural molasses and one that is white sugar mixed with molasses. The end result should be the same as both contain molasses

It appears molasses has copper in it? Its best to stay away from brown sugar with molasses if that is the case.

stoney7713 · Dec 11, 2022

killer2001 said:
It appears molasses has copper in it? Its best to stay away from brown sugar with molasses if that is the case.

Well that made me do a quick search, it seems even white sugar seems to contain copper, iron, magnesium and other minerals, says they are insoluble. Even raw brown sugar, organic sugar, and others I searched say they contain copper.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Dec 12, 2022

stoney7713 said:
Well that made me do a quick search, it seems even white sugar seems to contain copper, iron, magnesium and other minerals, says they are insoluble. Even raw brown sugar, organic sugar, and others I searched say they contain copper.

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Virtually all natural materials are going to contain nearly all elements at some level. It all depends on how much is there and what you care about.

Koh23 · Dec 13, 2022

Ok, bit of a update....

First week is passed, tonight i double the dosage.....

I expect nothing from first week, so, i really get nothing

Subjective feeling is that dinos dont spread anymore, and they are slightly lighter color, light brown...

I post update after week two....

IvanSokolx · Dec 14, 2022

Hello, can you tell me this method of combating dino, will it help to win ostreopsis?

Koh23 · Dec 16, 2022

Week and a half passed, i must say i'm a believer....

It could be due to vsv dosing, it could be from phyto, or maybe credits goes to some divine creature, but.....

It is a lot better after 10 days....

Little before/after pics....

Today

Before i start dosing....

Beuchat · Dec 16, 2022

IvanSokolx said:
Hello, can you tell me this method of combating dino, will it help to win ostreopsis?

Hi Ivan, we did not indentify the dinos species in the experiment, as it was based on personal feedback and photos, but I belive it will

Thunder_reef · Dec 21, 2022

I started this treatment on November 26 and I still have them. I’ve dosed per the instructions, tried blacking out the tank twice. They have diminished a couple times and then come back. Nitrates have always been around 10 using a salifert test and phos has never been below .03 and is usually around.05 using Hanah ulr. I’ve been dozing Microbacter7 every couple days as well as phyto. Tonight they look pretty bad, I’m very frustrated and considering beginning to slowly remove the sand. These are LCA btw. Any ideas or suggestions???

Randy Holmes-Farley · Dec 22, 2022

Thunder_reef said:
I started this treatment on November 26 and I still have them. I’ve dosed per the instructions, tried blacking out the tank twice. They have diminished a couple times and then come back. Nitrates have always been around 10 using a salifert test and phos has never been below .03 and is usually around.05 using Hanah ulr. I’ve been dozing Microbacter7 every couple days as well as phyto. Tonight they look pretty bad, I’m very frustrated and considering beginning to slowly remove the sand. These are LCA btw. Any ideas or suggestions???

Driving competitors is sometimes successful. Diatoms, for example, by dosing silicate.

Beuchat · Dec 22, 2022

Thunder_reef said:
I started this treatment on November 26 and I still have them. I’ve dosed per the instructions, tried blacking out the tank twice. They have diminished a couple times and then come back. Nitrates have always been around 10 using a salifert test and phos has never been below .03 and is usually around.05 using Hanah ulr. I’ve been dozing Microbacter7 every couple days as well as phyto. Tonight they look pretty bad, I’m very frustrated and considering beginning to slowly remove the sand. These are LCA btw. Any ideas or suggestions???

Hi Thunder, just to double check. Are you dosing at night? What is the actual dose? What organic carbon source?

Koh23 · Dec 22, 2022

I started week 3, 7.5ml dose....

So far so good, its not gone yet, but, light in color, and with patches of clean sand, so i figure that something is happening.....

Thunder_reef · Dec 22, 2022

Beuchat said:
Hi Thunder, just to double check. Are you dosing at night? What is the actual dose? What organic carbon source?

Hello, I am dosing at night, I’m using the vodka,vinegar, sugar recipe posted here, and I’m currently dosing 6 ml every night. My tank is 100 gallons. My photo period is currently 6 hours.

Beuchat · Dec 22, 2022

Thunder_reef said:
Hello, I am dosing at night, I’m using the vodka,vinegar, sugar recipe posted here, and I’m currently dosing 6 ml every night. My tank is 100 gallons. My photo period is currently 6 hours.

That is all the protocol we were going through. Is it 6 ml for total 100 gallons per day? If that is the case, you are dosing quite low. A “good” amount is 3 ml/ 100 liters per day, that is in your case around total 12 ml per day. You can go for 4 ml/ 100 liters if needed

Koh23 · Dec 22, 2022

Wait a sec......

There was receipt - 0.5ml /100l...

For 500l i started with 2.5ml firat week, 5ml second week and now, third week 7.5ml.....

And today - 3ml per 100l.....

Can you please clarify, probably i figured something wrong....

Beuchat · Dec 22, 2022

Ok, no, then you are right. My bad. Probably you can try with 4 ml/100 l

Keko21 · Dec 22, 2022

Attached are images of what I am dealing with, although I still cant seem to get a firm ID on what this is so I am scared to take any incorrect action.

I have cut my white lights to 0% and blues at 50%. As of today my nitrates are at 5ppm and my Phos at .02ppm. Should I risk carbon dosing as my parameters already seem low and I dont want to bottom out?

About a week ago I gave my corals reefroids which popped my phos to .06 and caused my corals to slime, so I did a water change which dropped my nitrates to 0, Phos stayed at .03. I noticed within 12 hours my nitrates were low and cut my skimmer off which brought me back up to detectable levels of around 7ppm after 24 hours.

It may be worth noting that I have not seen any growth of this particular algae on my rocks and it seems limited to the sand for now...