Dinoflagellate Treatment using Kalkwasser

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In order to document this kalkwasser treatment I intentionally stopped dosing kalkwasser to allow the critters to take over my reef aquarium. It ended up taking about 2 months for the dinos to grow to plague proportions. After the dinos became near overwhelming I started the kalkwasser dosing back up. I usually only need to maintain a pH of 8.3 to keep the dinos at bay but in order to treat them at this level a pH of 8.7 to 8.8 is needed.

My tank had 0 nitrates and 0 phosphates and the dinoflagellates still maintained their health.

Here's a few pictures of my tank just before restarting my kalkwasser dosing.







I raised the pH much slower than I typically would for the sake of this thread. Basically I went from 8.05 to 8.7 in 4-5 days.





And after 1 week I siphoned out the remaining dinos and went from this to this.



I missed few little spots of dinos and just blew off the rocks with a powerhead the next day. A few days later a few more dinos popped up and I blew those off also with the powerhead. For the last week there's been no more dinos and I've been maintaining the tank between 8.3-8.5 pH.
 
Treating dinoflagellates with kalkwasser dosing has been known for a long time but I've never seen a thread specifically outlining the necessary steps to the procedure. I have used this method for several years and have suggested it to dozens of other reefers always with 100% effectiveness. The few times it was not immediately effective it was always because the pH was not driven up aggressively enough. Once the pH was raised high enough in these tanks the dinos were brought under control.

Kalkwasser dosing is certainly risky and without taking certain precautions will certainly cause issues. I always recommend controlling the pH with an Apex or comparable controller but it is possible to do this without a controller. Also, once the dinos are gone it is sometimes necessary to continue the high pH indefinitely although many times the kalk dosing is stopped after 2-4 week with no recurrence of the dinos. Despite the risks it has turned out to be my go-to treatment. A few of the benefits to using kalkwasser is the minimal impact on the tank during treatment. I have increased pH from 8.0 to 8.8 in just a few days with no ill effects on coral or fish. Furthermore, blacking out the tank is not necessary so the corals do not suffer from lack of light.

If you are trying to figure out if you even have dinoflagellates you can use this method outlined in another thread: Helpful Method to Identify Dinoflagellates

In order to document this kalkwasser treatment I intentionally stopped dosing kalkwasser to allow the critters to reinfest my reef aquarium. It ended up takin about 3-4 months for the dinos to grow to plague proportions. After the dinos became near overwhelming I started the kalkwasser dosing back up. I usually only need to maintain a pH of 8.3 to keep the dinos at bay but in order to treat them at this level a pH of 8.7 to 8.8 is needed.

We want to raise the pH about 0.1-0.2 per day until it has reached 8.6-8.8. This usually takes less than a week and the lights do not need to be turned off during treatment. Once the pH 8.6-8.8 keep it there for 2-4 weeks until the dinos have disappeared. In extreme cases (like my tank) you will need to siphon out the dinos and do a small water change. Remember, the dinos will go straight though any filter so you can not reuse the water, it needs to be disposed. Once the dinos are gone you can maintain a pH between 8.3-8.4 to keep the dinos in check. As stated above, some have completely stopped the kalk dosing without recurrence of dinos but usually the pH needs to stay elevated to prevent new outbreaks.

In my experience, the faster the pH is raised the more effective the treatment is. Despite this, I recommend taking it very slowly if this is the first time you’re using this method.

Day 1:
Siphone as many of the dinos out of your tank as possible and replace the water (do not filter the water). Add about 1.0 teaspoon of kalk per gallon of RODI top off water. This will typically bump up the pH about 0.1-0.3 after 24 hours.

Day 2:
After 24 hours your pH will hopefully be around 8.1-8.4. If your pH is already at 8.6-8.8 then maintain the same dosage. If it is not above 8.6 then increase the saturation to 1.5 teaspoons per gallon of RODI top off water. This will typically bump up the pH another 0.1-0.3 after 24 hours.

Day 3:
After 48 hours your pH will hopefully be around 8.2-8.5. If your pH is not 8.6 then increase the saturation to 2.0 teaspoons per gallon of RODI top off water. This will typically bump up the pH another 0.1-0.3 after 24 hours.

Day 4:
After 72 hours your pH will hopefully be around 8.3-8.6. If your pH is not at least 8.6 then increase the saturation to 2.5 teaspoons per gallon of RODI top off water. Now the kalk water is supersaturated so you will either need to manually shake it every hour or add a powerhead to the top water to keep the kalk suspended in the solution.

Day 5:
If your pH isn't up to at least 8.6 yet then you will need to increase the saturation to 3.0 teaspoons per gallon of RODI top off water. You will either need to manually shake it every hour or add a powerhead to the kalk water to keep the kalk suspended in the solution.

Maintain a pH of 8.6-8.8 for 2-4 weeks or until the dinoflagellates are gone. If the dinos are not mostly gone after 2 weeks you can siphon the remaining dinos out and replace the water. After the dinos are gone maintain a pH of 8.3-8.4. If you notice the dinos coming back increase the pH again until they disappear.

Notes:
  • The limewater must be dripped into the tank continuously. It can never be dumped into the tank! Ideally you could use an Apex to dose the limewater. I do not recommend an ATO for this because if it malfunctions you will kill your coral and fish (I've learned this the hard way).
  • Siphon as many dinos out before you start this treatment. You will need to dispose the water, straining the dinos through a filer sock and back into the tank will not work.
  • A pH increase of 0.2 per 24 hours is typically considered very safe for your fish.
  • You will ultimately need to raise the pH up to 8.6-8.8 (daytime) for about 2-4 weeks to kill the dinos. It's ok if the pH drops lower than that during the night.
  • This is a rough guide, you really need to watch the tank closely to make sure the pH isn't rising too quickly.
  • You might need to go above 3 tsp/gal of kalk, every tank is different.
  • It is best to dose the display tank directly to prevent your skimmer and return pump from seizing up.
  • Once you figure out how your tank responds to the kalk you can usually increase the kalk saturation faster depending on how fast your pH rises.
  • Saturated kalkwasser is about 2 teaspoons per gallon
  • You may need to turn off your calcium/alkalinity supplementation to prevent a spike in alkalinity. Monitor your alkalinity during treatment to make sure it remains stable
 
Bringing this back from the dead. Anyone here used this method? Where you successful? I am curious if it is the limewater or the high ph that is said to be killing the dinos.

I would imagine this method would spike alk/ca.
 
I tried it late 2016 to early 2017. Ran pH at 8.7 - 8.8 for over 2 months. Had to dose a kalk slurry to keep pH at that level and controlled with Apex.
Did not work for me. Also spent a lot of time cleaning my return pump and skimmer pump. No harm to any livestock from high pH though.
 
Cruz from Elegant Corals in Chicago dino remedy worked really well for me a month ago. Dino has not come back. Just go to their website and you will find the instructions. Its very simple and my corals and fish were not harmed.
 
I tried it late 2016 to early 2017. Ran pH at 8.7 - 8.8 for over 2 months. Had to dose a kalk slurry to keep pH at that level and controlled with Apex.
Did not work for me. Also spent a lot of time cleaning my return pump and skimmer pump. No harm to any livestock from high pH though.

So you had dino's and kept ph that high using kalk and it did not kill the dino's?

I was just curious if maintaining ph on the higher side, say 8.4-8.6, via co2 scrubber, would help prevent dinos. I've dealt with dino's and it isnt any fun. Anything I can do to prevent them is a plus.
 
Cruz from Elegant Corals in Chicago dino remedy worked really well for me a month ago. Dino has not come back. Just go to their website and you will find the instructions. Its very simple and my corals and fish were not harmed.

I am actually in the middle of running this regimen at the moment due to a dino's outbreak. My question was more in regards to the relationship between ph and dino's. Not necessarily about finding different methods of killing them. Was hoping to confirm that maintaining higher ph might discourage dino growth.
 
So you had dino's and kept ph that high using kalk and it did not kill the dino's?

I was just curious if maintaining ph on the higher side, say 8.4-8.6, via co2 scrubber, would help prevent dinos. I've dealt with dino's and it isnt any fun. Anything I can do to prevent them is a plus.
I fought dinos for almost 3 years and tried most everything. High pH using kalk did not kill them.
As far as prevention, balanced nutrients (not balanced as in a specific ratio but not driving nutrients too low) and biodiversity seems to help.
I personally also run a UV on my system.
 
Thank you for the info. I've fought dino's 3 times. Twice in one tank, and now once in my new build. I was able to beat it in my old tank by raising nutrients and allowing green hair algae to grow and out compete it. This worked great, but left the tank and ugly mess for a long time. I have a work schedule that will randomly put me out of town, sometimes for weeks at a time. My wife will feed my fish, but that's about it. She has no interest in the hobby, so getting her to run tests or do waterchanges is out of the question. I ended up with dinos again in that tank after being gone and not able to monitor nutrients. Both times I beat the dinos using high nutrients and gha. I then dosed reef flux to kill the algae. It works, but the tank will be ugly for a good 4 months, and saw no coral growth during that time period.

This time around I decided to try the elegance corals regimen. I'm about halfway through and dinos are gone, time will tell if they come back or not. I'm tempted to put some no3/po4 solution on a doser for when I am out of town for work haha. I have always struggled with low nutrients in my tanks, which ends up with me getting dinos.

I've had a uv sterilizer on this tank since day 1 of setting it up. Didnt help me with dinos. It does keep my water very clear though.
 

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