Dinoflagellates- DinoX, MetroPlex, Vibrant- no help

mtnrunner · Nov 26, 2016

I have a 90g established reef tank and I've been battling dinoflagellates for a month or more. I've been using DinoX, dosing per instructions every two days. Also dosing MetroPlex and Vibrant. Nothing is helping. I use a turkey blaster to try and keep the corals clean. Nothing changed about my tank.

Running 2 Radions, good water quality, good circulation with two MP40s.

I haven't tried hydrogen peroxide. What is the dosing instructions?

Any other suggestions? I know some also reduce lighting but I haven't done that yet either.

mannyhernz · Nov 26, 2016

What are you dosing? Amino acids made mine pop up

mtnrunner · Nov 26, 2016

I've been medicating with DinoX, Metroplex and Vibrant.

Neil Fox · Nov 27, 2016

Hard to tell without a microscope. Ihad something similiar, tried Vibrant and at was like gas on a fire. I ended up going lights out for three days. Never tried peroxide either but swillard has a good post on here about it,Ithink the dosage is 1 mg for every 10 gallons but couldn't tell you the frequency.

gashunk · Nov 27, 2016

he recommends 1ml per 10gallons every 12hrs for 14days in high flow areas slowly dose for peroxide.

b3ja · Nov 27, 2016

In my case id blackout 3 days + heavy carbon + bubble scurbing .. .

rvlcf · Nov 27, 2016

What are your nitrates/phosphates? Did you make any changes right before this issue popped up? How long have you been using the Vibrant?

Neil Fox · Nov 27, 2016

b3ja said:
In my case id blackout 3 days + heavy carbon + bubble scurbing .. .

What is bubble scurbing?

mtnrunner · Nov 27, 2016

I've been using Vibrant for 3 weeks. Phosphate.03.

b3ja · Nov 27, 2016

Neil Fox said:
What is bubble scurbing?

sorry .. its micro bubble srubbing ..
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/micro-and-nano-bubble-tank-treatment.231894/

saltyfilmfolks · Nov 27, 2016

mtnrunner said:
I've been using Vibrant for 3 weeks. Phosphate.03.

can we see a closer view of the funky stuff just to confirm it. have you looked at it under a microscope? have you done the peroxide test.

mtnrunner · Nov 28, 2016

No I don't have a microscope. What is a peroxide test?

I've started a lights out and adding 1ml/10 gal every 12 hours.

mtnrunner · Dec 18, 2016

After 3 days of lights out, the Dinos were cleared and I stopped treatments. However, they slowly started coming back. My corals are suffering, I try blowing the Dinos off ever few hours, but its a losing battle.

Any suggestions? I also tried hydrogen peroxide, 11 ml/day, but it started affecting my mushrooms, so i have stopped it.

90 gal with sump
Lights - 2 Radions at 75% for 6 hours, rev up and rev down to/from 3%
Weekly water change of 25 gals
Reef Crystals

My current parms:
Cal 425 try to keep 432, auto dosing
Alk 9.52 try to keep around 10, auto dosing
Phosphate 0.03 ppm
Nitrate 50 ppm
76 degrees F
SG 1.025

I'm adding to my tank again:
Vibrant- 1/ml per 10 gal. I'm adding 11 ml once per week.
DinoX- 5ml/26 gal. I'm adding 20 ml every 2 days
Metroplex- 1 spoon/10 gal. I'm adding 11 spoons every 2 days
NO3

O4-X- 3ml/25 gal. I'm adding 12 ml daily

Thank you

jacobSD · Dec 18, 2016

Nitrates are high. Heavy water changes, possibly start running biopellets or dose a nitrate remover. Try not to feed as much as well as the problem will continue to be fed.

mtnrunner · Dec 18, 2016

I think the nitrates are due to "old tank syndrome". I've just started the NO3PO4-X a couple of weeks ago to try to bring it down, on top of a double water change one week. Can the nitrates be the cause of Dinos though?

saltyfilmfolks · Dec 18, 2016

mtnrunner said:
After 3 days of lights out, the Dinos were cleared and I stopped treatments. However, they slowly started coming back. My corals are suffering, I try blowing the Dinos off ever few hours, but its a losing battle.

Any suggestions? I also tried hydrogen peroxide, 11 ml/day, but it started affecting my mushrooms, so i have stopped it.

90 gal with sump
Lights - 2 Radions at 75% for 6 hours, rev up and rev down to/from 3%
Weekly water change of 25 gals
Reef Crystals

My current parms:
Cal 425 try to keep 432, auto dosing
Alk 9.52 try to keep around 10, auto dosing
Phosphate 0.03 ppm
Nitrate 50 ppm
76 degrees F
SG 1.025

I'm adding to my tank again:
Vibrant- 1/ml per 10 gal. I'm adding 11 ml once per week.
DinoX- 5ml/26 gal. I'm adding 20 ml every 2 days
Metroplex- 1 spoon/10 gal. I'm adding 11 spoons every 2 days
NO3O4-X- 3ml/25 gal. I'm adding 12 ml daily

Thank you

got a pic? we can help ID it.
also nitrates unlike phosphates can be brought down with water changes.

twilliard · Dec 18, 2016

Sure its not a protophyta?

mtnrunner · Dec 18, 2016

Today is day 3 of lights out and dinos are gone once again so I can't get a pic. I posted one earlier in the thread.

saltyfilmfolks · Dec 18, 2016

mtnrunner said:
Today is day 3 of lights out and dinos are gone once again so I can't get a pic. I posted one earlier in the thread.

ok cool. I meant a closer pic, put one up when you can. its tought to get detail on the stuff in the wide shot.

twilliard · Dec 18, 2016

Are you running felt socks while the lights out?
When they are subjected to darkness the become free floating hence why we don't see them after the lights out period.
These guys are intelligent